Media Releases
Elective Surgery
25 March 2020
The National Cabinet is acting on the advice of the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee that from 11.59pm (local time) on 25 March 2020, all non urgent elective surgery will be temporarily suspended. Only Category 1 and some exceptional Category 2 surgery will continue until further notice.
This will apply in both the public and private health systems.
The Commonwealth’s Department of Health has ordered over 300 million additional masks with 30 million expected in the next two weeks, and one million surgical gowns are on order to build on Australia’s stockpile of medical protective equipment. Australian manufacturers have also been engaged to ramp up local equipment production.
By cancelling certain elective surgeries, the National Cabinet is acting to preserve resources including protective equipment to help prepare public and private health services to prepare for their role in the COVID-19 outbreak.
Every patient waiting for elective surgery is assessed by their treating medical professional as Category 1, 2 or 3 per the following definitions:
Category 1 – Needing treatment within 30 days. Has the potential to deteriorate quickly to the point where the patient’s situation may become an emergency
Category 2 – Needing treatment within 90 days. Their condition causes pain, dysfunction or disability. Unlikely to deteriorate quickly and unlikely to become an emergency
Category 3 – Needing treatment at some point in the next year. Their condition causes pain, dysfunction or disability. Unlikely to deteriorate quickly.
Decisions on the category of patients are at the discretion of their treating medical professional.
Australia’s health system will continue to ensure that any patient in need of urgent attention will receive treatment.
By taking these actions as well as the work to date to stop the spread of coronavirus, we can protect lives and we can save lives.
National COVID-19 Coordination Commission
25 March 2020
Today I announce the creation of a new National COVID-19 Coordination Commission (NCCC) that will coordinate advice to the Australian Government on actions to anticipate and mitigate the economic and social effects of the global coronavirus pandemic.
The Commission will ensure the Government receives the most comprehensive advice to meet the challenges ahead to cushion the economic impact of the coronavirus and help build a bridge to recovery.
This is about working cooperatively across private-to-private and public-to-private networks to unlock resources, break bottlenecks and fix problems so Australian families, businesses and communities are supported through the challenging months ahead.
Mr Neville Power has been appointed Chairman and brings both high level business expertise and a strong commitment to social issues.
An Executive Board of Commissioners, will advise the Prime Minister on all non-health aspects of the pandemic response. The Board will work in tandem with the Chief Medical Officer (CMO) Dr Brendan Murphy, who continues to lead the Commonwealth’s health response.
The National COVID-19 Commission Executive Board includes leaders across the private and not-for-profit sectors: Mr Greg Combet AM, Ms Jane Halton AO, Mr Paul Little AO, Ms Catherine Tanna and Mr David Thodey AO (Deputy Chair).
They will be joined by the Secretaries of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, Mr Philip Gaetjens and Home Affairs, Mr Mike Pezzullo.
The National Cabinet, comprising State Premiers and Territory Chief Ministers, continues to lead the national response at a government level. The Australian Government’s National Security Committee of Cabinet’s COVID-19 Taskforce and the Expenditure Review Committee of Cabinet continue to take decisions that determine the Commonwealth’s response to the global COVID-19 pandemic.
The National COVID-19 Coordination Commission is about mobilising a whole-of-society and whole-of-economy effort so we come through this unprecedented health crisis. The Commission will assist the Government to ensure all resources are marshalled to this vital task in a coordinated and effective manner.
At all times, our actions are guided by the best possible medical advice, while putting the economic and social wellbeing of all Australians front and centre of our response.
The NCCC will be based in the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet. The existing National Coordination Mechanism based in the Department of Home Affairs, which coordinates the cross jurisdictional response to non-health aspects of the pandemic, will report to the Commission, as will the Coronavirus Business Liaison Unit based in the Treasury Department.
Interview with Alan Jones
25 March 2020
ALAN JONES: Prime Minister, good morning.
PRIME MINISTER: Good morning, Alan.
JONES: Prime Minister, there are lots of ups and downs in your job, but you couldn't be anything but disappointed that your federal Health Minister, invested with unbelievable powers, made on March 18 an emergency biosecurity order that any cruise vessel will be prevented from docking in Australia for the next month. And the very, very next day, this Ruby Princess lobs in. All of these people are pushed out into the community, they all disembark, there are no appropriate tests taken. And now 130 of them across Australia have got the coronavirus.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, this has been not a good event at all, this has been terrible. There've been a series of issues that have been associated with that. There were events in other states and they were managed in accordance with those protocols. But I think, Alan, when we go through these very difficult issues and these crises, there will be things that won't go as we all want them to. And what's important is that everybody learns from that as fast as possible and ensures that these lessons are employed. Now, that goes to how we can upgrade the Centrelink systems, manage the lines better, manage the call centres and do the things that we're responsible for and everybody's doing the same. I know there's a lot of stress on people and I know you were talking this morning earlier about the mental stress on families and dealing with this, and that is all true. But the way we get through this is when things happen as they shouldn't, then we need to act as quickly as we can to rectify it and to ensure that we get back ahead of it rather than dwelling on it. And I think that's an important way to get through a crisis.
JONES: I don't want to be critical of Gladys Berejiklian because I'm sure like you, she hasn't had a sleep for about four months what bushfires and everything. But you said clearly last night, quote, “The medical expert advice on schools has not changed. It is safe to send your children to school.” And Gladys then says, we're recommending at this time the parents keep their children at home. What is the message?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, it is safe to send your kids to school. There is no health reason why your children can't go to school. What the Premier was at pains to point out that that was not a health reason based issue, but managing practical issues in schools that they were working with at a state level. So there is no message to parents that it is unsafe or there's health advice that says your children shouldn't go to school. What that is about is how things have been practically managed in New South Wales. Now, I'm meeting with the education unions this morning to work through some of those practical issues so we can assure that we're both obviously supporting the health of the teaching workforce, but ensuring that our schools remain open for all those workers. And you know what an essential worker is? A worker that's got a job. That's what an essential worker is in this economy when you're shutting down so many different parts of the economy. Everyone who has a job, that is an essential job because that is putting food on the table. And what I'm working really hard to do, Alan, is I do not want parents to have to decide between working and earning an income to feed their families, and educating their children. That is not a fair decision to put on parents, and that's what I'm working to deliver.
JONES: Do you think all those who've lost their jobs, hundreds of thousands of them, totalling about $10 billion in income, have they been appropriately compensated?
PRIME MINISTER: They will- there's the safety net, Alan, and that's what it is. And we've doubled the safety net and we've broadened the safety net to capture as many as we can and if we need to go further than we will, I've made that very clear. We've provided the support to businesses so they can keep people on wherever they can. But in many cases, that won't be possible because they may be running a business that has had to be shut down. And so in those circumstances, what we're focusing on is making the safety net as strong as we possibly can. Now, that has put unprecedented stress on the system. I mean, I'm employing 5,000 extra people to work on this system right now. All of the public service, I met with all of the secretaries of all the departments yesterday and they have all very clear instructions about how they have to be redeploying their workforces so we're focusing on the areas of greatest need to provide support to Australians. But those who have lost their job, those who are waiting, those who are waiting for the information to come back from them, know this - people are working night and day to get that help and support to you.
JONES: Ok, those businesses that you've told cannot continue in business, are they going to be given support as to how they continue to pay their bills? That is the mortgage continues, the rates continue, all these other charges, on costs that business must meet.
PRIME MINISTER: These are the things we're working with the states, the territories, the banks, the landlords, all of those right now. And we’ll be looking at some lease issues tonight. Last night's meeting went for quite a while to deal with the matters I discussed last night. Tonight's meeting is focusing on those issues. The Treasurer has been working with the states, Josh Frydenberg, he's also been working with the banks. The Energy Minister, he's working with all the energy companies on all of those issues. Because what the plan is here is this. This virus will end. It will stop at some point. It will wreak enormous damage between now and that point. But on the other side, we want businesses to be able to open their doors and get on back about their business, employ their staff back, see their customers again and to support them in the recovery. One of the things we announced this week… sorry, on Sunday with the Treasurer, was putting a change into insolvency and bankruptcy laws so people could move on businesses that found themselves in this situation. And that gives them a six month window. Now, if we need to extend that again, then we will. The point is, is we want, the businesses that are effectively like going into a hibernation. And then on the other side, we could resuscitate them and then they get off and get running again. For those employees they’ve have stood down, we will put the safety net around them. And then on the other side, they'll be able to stand up again. So all the support, up to $100,000, if we have to do more, we will for these businesses. The moral obligation here is that those employees they have to stand down, we want them to stand them up again on the other side so they can look forward to going back to work when this is all over.
JONES: Right. Now, the indignity and humiliation, and you've heard me talk about this, of people who've never, ever been out of a job in their lives and they are standing in Centrelink queues. I know I've asked you…
PRIME MINISTER: Heart breaking.
JONES: Heartbreaking, and I asked you separately and I'd just like your response because people don't understand. We've got this system called electronic fund transfer. And therefore, every employer knows the details of every employee and the Tax Office has those details. Why couldn't the employer notify, verify that X, Alan Jones, Scott Morrison has now been put off and is eligible for the Newstart allowance and can you automatically transfer that into his account?
PRIME MINISTER: Because, Alan, the integration of those two systems and with the welfare system would require a complete rework and massive recoding. We need to deliver our systems through the systems that are there. If you try and reinvent systems in the middle of a crisis, what will happen is the system will go even to worst disrepair and there will be even greater delays.
JONES: So it can’t be done?
PRIME MINISTER: Not in these timeframes. That would take six months to a year to make those sort of changes, is my understanding. We need to, they’re very complicated systems, Alan, we’re dealing with payments that go to millions and millions of Australians. And they're very complicated because there are so many rules about these payments. And the coding in the systems is so sophisticated that a simple change, what sounds simple, I understand and the way you’re explaining it, isn't on the other side of the line. So we need to use the existing systems. That's the best way to get the payments out as quickly as possible. Our problem at the moment is building up the capacity of the system to take more applications. We’re normally at around 6,000, we had to move to 55,000, then we went to 150,000. Now we're seeking to take that even higher to cope with the demand, so extraordinary times.
JONES: Yes, thank you. To cope with the demand, I spoke to Stuart Robert, about this. I mean, would it be possible to build up the workforce so that that Centrelink number is operative 24/7?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, they're working on all those plans. We've already expanded the call centres to be operable 12 hours. And as I said, I'm looking for 5,000 people right now.
JONES: Righto. One other thing, because you've got to go. Centrelink, they're telling me that people who have a partner earning more than $48,000 are ineligible. Now, without politically arguing over this, Labor want to raise it to $75,000. I mean, $48,000 isn't a lot of money in the current climate. Would you consider raising that level from $48,000 to, say, $70,000 or more than $48,000?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, whatever the figure might be, this is one of the things we are considering. And it just doesn't apply to the partner payments. There are a range of other ones we’ve identified and that's why in the Parliament we were able to get a legislative change which would give the Minister for Social Services the discretion to be able to move some of those rules around under the existing legislation. So we've given ourselves some flexibility to deal with some, that specific problem, but also to deal with a whole range of potential other problems. I mean, when you're making the scale of change that we are to these payments and the safety net, there will be other items that we’ll need to go back and address. And so when we get the feedback, we will take action and then we'll get the system in place to support that.
JONES: I’m immodest enough to suggest to you that you've got the feedback that $48,000 is too low.
PRIME MINISTER: I understand that Alan, I understand that, what I’m saying is that’s not the only one. There are others.
JONES: No, no, I understand. Good on you. Thank you for your time and thank you for sharing all of that with us. We'll talk again soon.
PRIME MINISTER: Thank you, Alan.
Update on Coronavirus Measures
24 March 2020
Australian governments are working together to slow the spread of coronavirus to save lives.
Every extra bit of time allows us to better prepare our health system and put measures in place to protect Australian lives.
We will be living with this virus for at least six months, so social distancing measures to slow this virus down must be sustainable for at least that long to protect Australian lives, allow Australia to keep functioning and keep Australians in jobs.
The Prime Minister, state and territory Premiers and Chief Ministers met on 24 March 2020 as the National Cabinet.
We are leading the world on testing with more than 161,000 Australians tested and around 2,000 Australians confirmed cases. In contrast to many countries, the majority of Australian cases of coronavirus have been from people returning overseas or direct contacts with people who had been overseas.
However, National Cabinet noted that there has been a significant growth in the number of cases in Australia, with a significant number of Australians returning from overseas and small community outbreaks associated with returned travellers.
National Cabinet reiterated that practicing good hygiene and keeping a healthy physical distance between individuals is our most powerful weapon in fighting this virus and saving lives.
The highest priority should be placed on social isolation measures as well as strict and rapid contact tracing of individuals. It is paramount that contact tracing occur quickly and thoroughly and that public data is available to support this effort.
Leaders again call on all Australian to do their bit to save the lives of other Australians.
Australians should stay at home, unless shopping for essentials, travelling to and from work - where you cannot work from home, going to school and exercising. Keep visitors to your home at a minimum. In outdoor spaces do not congregate in groups.
Leaders thank those members of the public who are adhering to social distancing measures. However, leaders expressed their disappointment at some members of the community who are disregarding social distancing measures and, by doing so, putting the lives of older and vulnerable Australians at risk.
Ban on Australians travelling overseas
Leaders noted that the Commonwealth Government will implement a ‘do not travel’ ban on Australians travelling overseas under the Biosecurity Act 2015.
This will help avoid travellers returning to Australia with coronavirus and the risks of spreading coronavirus to other countries.
Exemptions, which will be managed by the Australian Border Force, will apply to a range of categories of travellers, including for those citizens ordinarily resident overseas, where travel is essential or necessary, where travel is in our national interest, and on compassionate and humanitarian grounds.
This prohibition is aligned with the Government’s decision to raise the Smartraveller Travel Advice to Level 4 - Do Not Travel overseas.
Clarification of current measures and new measures
If we want to slow the spread of the virus, everyone must implement appropriate social distancing in accordance with state and territory laws.
National Cabinet agreed to new and enhanced social distance measures, building on the existing measures that are in place.
National Cabinet confirmed and clarified the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) advice regarding the requirements of previously announced measures, in particular those related to non-essential gatherings and outdoor gatherings.
National Cabinet will meet again on Wednesday 25 March 2020.
Additional prohibited activities and venues to apply from 11.59pm (local time) 25 March 2020
Action to prevent price gouging and exportation of critical sanitary and medical products
The Commonwealth Government will take action to help prevent exploitative price gouging and exporting products that are essential to preventing and controlling the spread of coronavirus.
These measures will help prevent individuals purchasing goods including face masks, hand sanitiser and vital medicines and either re-selling them at significant mark-ups or exporting them overseas in bulk, which prevents these goods from reaching people who need them in Australia.
These measures will not be designed to affect normal consumer buying of goods, commercial imports and exports, or other appropriate bulk sales.
Interview with Tara Brown, 60 Minutes
22 March 2020
TARA BROWN: Welcome to the program.
PRIME MINISTER: Thanks, Tara.
BROWN: What a day.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, every day is a challenge, particularly when you're dealing with a global pandemic on coronavirus. And there's an understandable high level of anxiety in the community. And we've lost Australians. There are so many more around the world who have lost their lives. And we're dealing with one of the most serious situations this country has seen, certainly since the Second World War.
BROWN: New South Wales and Victoria, as well as the other states, are talking about going tougher. Their message quite clearly is that you're not doing enough on stopping the spread of the infection? Is that the case?
PRIME MINISTER: No that’s not their view at all. I mean, we've been working closely together on this and we have been working with them, for them to take additional measures within their states to deal specifically with outbreak areas that are occurring within their states. I mean, every state has got a very different experience so far but we've all been working together very, very well at the end of the day states have to decide the extent of measures that they take within their own states to prevent the further outbreak.
BROWN: Well, New South Wales and Victoria are talking about closing schools as of Tuesday. Why is that not being spoken about at a national level?
PRIME MINISTER: It has been spoken about -
BROWN: Well, why is the decision not being made to do that?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, a, it was only a few days ago where all states were resolute on the point in relation to keeping schools open. And it's important that schools remain open, particularly for those parents who are working in critical areas, particularly in the health workforce but this has been an active issue, which we've flagged maybe at a point in time where states would have to take that decision. They're just seeking to try and take that decision together, collectively, about how they might approach it. But ultimately, again, states run the school system and they'll make their own decisions on how they do that. The Commonwealth doesn't run the school system.
BROWN: If the medical advice is that it's unnecessary to close schools. Why is New South Wales and Victoria looking at closing schools as of Tuesday?
PRIME MINISTER: Ultimately, states will make their own decisions about these things. We're a, we're a Federation. The Commonwealth doesn't make their decisions for them. They'll make their own decisions. But it's important when they do that they are very mindful of the impacts and consequences and particularly for their own health workforce, which they will need in their hospitals.
BROWN: Do you think it's the right decision?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, I will only act always on the medical advice that we’re provided and-
BROWN: You’re telling me the medical advice is that you don't need to close schools?
PRIME MINISTER: The medical advice is updated on a daily basis. The medical advice is being considered even as we're sitting here in the middle of this interview, and this is a fast moving issue and as the medical advice changes, then of course, that's when governments will make different decisions.
BROWN: And so just for clarity, has the medical advice shifted?
PRIME MINISTER: Well not as we're sitting here in this room at this minute. But there's a meeting going on as we speak.
BROWN: You understand my confusion though? You’ve got states saying we're going to close schools. You're saying there's no medical advice to say you have to do that. I’m asking why are they doing it? You’re saying well, they've got to make up their mind, because advice is shifting all the time?
PRIME MINISTER: They’re sovereign governments and they have to consider all the issues that are before them. But what I'm telling you, is that the medical advice, the same medical advice that had a unanimity of view amongst all the Premiers and all the Chief Ministers who are very adamant about having a consistent position on this, that medical advice is still the same advice before the Government but I think we need to understand Tara, that this issue is moving extremely fast. And what we have always said is as the information changes, as there is a need to take additional measures, particularly locally and within states, than I would expect states to take those actions. And that's exactly what I've been saying and forecasting now for many days.
BROWN: Is there conflicting advice?
PRIME MINISTER: No, I have not seen conflicting advice coming forward to the National Cabinet. No, I haven't.
BROWN: Okay. We are in unprecedented times, is it not time now for the Federal Government to take over a unity government, to make federal decisions for clarity and for the safety of our community? Is it not time for the Federal Government to make this decision?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, the National Cabinet has been formed, this is the first time this has ever happened in Australia's federal history. This is the closest this country has ever had to exactly what you're talking about. The Constitution of the Commonwealth of of all of our governments does not provide for what you're asking for. That is not an option that is available to the Commonwealth Government. But what is available is us working together in the way we are. That's why I pulled the National Cabinet together. Now, I have no doubt that on some occasions there'll be some issues where states will go their own way and they will take different decisions and that will be up to them. But there is still a lot of work to do. The issue that you're raising is one that the Constitution never envisaged or does not give me the powers to address. But that's why I pulled together a National Cabinet to get as close to that as we possibly can.
BROWN: I mean, that is an option, has been an option at times of war are we not in a war at the moment?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, what we are doing right now is no different to what was done in those times. They had no greater authorities on these issues than than we have today. And in fact, in many ways we've gone beyond it. I mean, in the time of war, there was not a government that pulled together in the Cabinet, all the Premiers and all the Chief Ministers together with the Prime Minister. And it's been a very collaborative and constructive process. But at the same time, we need to recognise that states are responsible for what happens in their states. I'll support them and we'll provide the advice. And importantly, that includes whether it's the assistance from the Defence Forces as they're already supporting, or indeed what I've announced today. Some $66 billion of of measures to support people if they lose their job or they lose their business. I mean, this is many, many times over the packages that have been announced at state level. And that's providing the stronger and more secure safety net for people who will find themselves the first in the firing line in the blows of this exchange that you will see of the coronavirus and its economic impact.
BROWN: So would it be fair to describe this not as a stimulus package, but as a welfare package?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, we described it as a safety net package today.
BROWN: Yeah we're not talking about growth, are we. We are just talking about survival?
PRIME MINISTER: The economy is going to have, is going to be significantly battered by this in a way that we have not seen in my lifetime.
BROWN: In terms of the numbers that we're talking about. We're now, we're now talking over a thousand infections in Australia.
PRIME MINISTER: True.
BROWN: What do you believe the ultimate number will be?
PRIME MINISTER: Nobody knows.
BROWN: Really?
PRIME MINISTER: Correct.
BROWN: What sort of advice are you getting on that though?
PRIME MINISTER: That advice that nobody knows. See I know people are looking for a lot of certainty on these things,
BROWN: From you.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, and that's certainty at present because this is unprecedented what we're seeing on a global scale. What we can provide certainty of is if someone finds them self in a position where they've lost their job, I’ve doubled the jobseeker allowance. If a business is wondering how they're going to get from now to the end of this virus crisis, which at the very least we think is 6 months. That's why we've provided up to $100,000 in grants to help them get there. That's why we've ensured that people can break open and access their own superannuation savings up to $20,000 if their income has fallen by by 20 per cent. These things are designed to help. If you're a self-funded retiree that you aren't forced to pull money out in the middle of a bad market by changing the drawdown rates. I can guarantee people the things that I can do to help them, what I can't do is forecast what is an unforecastable situation.
BROWN: In a two week period in Italy, they went from 1,000 infections to 16,000, in a fortnight, 1,000 to 16,000. Could that happen here?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, the situation in Italy and Australia is very different for a couple of reasons. Our health system is different. The age of our population is very different. And the way life is lived is also very different. On top of that, our rate of testing is one of the highest in the world. We’ve got 127,000 tests that have been done for a rate of infection, as you saw, just over 1,200. The percentage of negative cases, 99 per cent. That's one that's one of the highest if not the highest in the world but this is going to be really tough. I mean, these things are going to break our hearts, but it's not going to break our spirit.
BROWN: Are you frightened?
PRIME MINISTER: It’s not my job to do that, it’s my job to be,
BROWN: Are you alarmed?
PRIME MINISTER: Not at all. Look in situations like this. You've just got to act on the information, make decisions and communicate clearly. I can't control what I can't control, but I can control what our Government does and I can control what support and information and health services that we can deliver at a time of real great crisis.
BROWN: And I know you say your job is to communicate clearly. You tell people not to hoard. They continue to do so. You tell people not to socialise, look at Bondi. I mean they're not listening are they?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, no, I actually think the experience is different to that. I mean, I know that from even just this week, the figures that were provided to me by the supermarkets showed that there was greater order today than there was a number of days ago but that will change depending on how people respond to the measures that come. What we saw at Bondi Beach was just not okay. It was not even remotely okay. And that sent a message to the Premiers. It sent a message to the Chief Ministers and I, that not enough Australians are taking this seriously. I said today we are in a war against this virus and all Australians are enlisted to do the right thing. We can give instruction. We can enforce them. People are told to self-isolate for 14 days when they come back. People are told to keep to one and a half meters distance, venues are told to only have an average of four square metres for the number of people. This needs to be observed. If it's not observed, then very draconian measures will have to be introduced that might otherwise have been unnecessary.
BROWN: Alright, thank you very much for your time.
PRIME MINISTER: Thanks a lot Tara.
Interview with David Speers, ABC
22 March 2020
DAVID SPEERS: Prime Minister, thanks for your time this evening. I want to come to the big economic rescue package you've announced today in a moment. But can we start with, there’s a bit of confusion on a few fronts as we sit here tonight, let's start with movement. You announced today you're strongly advising against non-essential travel. What exactly does that mean?
PRIME MINISTER: It means if you don't need to go somewhere, you don’t. If there is essential travel relating to your work, particularly if it's in a critical area. If it’s on a compassionate basis or it's in relation to health care or things of that nature, then these are not- these are trips that you would need to undertake. But otherwise, whether it's discretionary travel, whether it's holiday or that sort of travel, the advice is very strongly against that and particularly how far you're planning to go. If you’re planning to go interstate, if you going to other far flung places within the state but even more closer to home.
SPEERS: What about locally, going to shops?
PRIME MINISTER: You can do all of those sorts of things, provided the arrangements are in place where those places are open.
SPEERS: Parks, you can go for a walk?
PRIME MINISTER: If you're not ill and if you're not in self-isolation, then you can obviously get about your life in that way. But when it comes to, you know, piling all the kids in the car and taking them four hours away, or getting on a plane and flying to the other side of the country, then no, we're saying that should not be done.
SPEERS: Ok, but then the states, a number of them, at least this afternoon, have gone further than that. Well, let's start with non-essential businesses being shut down. Victoria, New South Wales and the ACT have said this will happen over the next 48 hours. Are you aware as Prime Minister what that involves?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, it's for them to explain how they're doing that specifically within their state as they're making those decisions.
SPEERS: Have they told you?
PRIME MINISTER: I was aware of this, yes. We were having these discussions yesterday. The National Cabinet flagged last week and I reported it at the press conference that we were looking at additional measures that states would be taking within their own states to deal with the situation on the ground. Not all states are in the same position when it comes to the coronavirus. Some are much more advanced along the curve than others, and others are taking- are more vulnerable like the Northern Territory or Tasmania, and they've taken their decisions. The point of the National Cabinet is not to have the same decisions in all the states, but to ensure that as a group that we're understanding the medical expert advice that has been provided and the states are applying the decisions that are best suited to their situations.
SPEERS: Is that working today, because why have you got Daniel Andrews, Gladys Berejiklian announcing these big moves before tonight's meeting?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, they haven't set out the specifics, as I understand it, of all of these measures.
SPEERS: They’ve said they're going to shut down non-essential….
PRIME MINISTER: They have indicated that they will be taking further action. And I flagged last Friday and I again did so today that I would anticipate that the states would be doing this very thing.
SPEERS: But a local level, not a statewide level.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, whether they choose to take that to a statewide level is a matter for those states.
SPEERS: So why didn't they wait til tonight's meeting?
PRIME MINISTER: Tonight they will get further advice from the medical expert panel and they are taking advice from their own health experts in their own states. And that expert panel was meeting this afternoon and I convened the meeting first thing this morning that we should meet tonight to consider their additional advice. But at the end of the day, David, the Premiers and Chief Ministers will make their own decisions about what happens on those issues in their states. The Commonwealth, the Prime Minister does not make those decisions, they do, and when they do they will need to set out how that's going to work.
SPEERS: What about your announcement on advising against non-essential travel? Had that actually been agreed to by the National Cabinet?
PRIME MINISTER: Yes, we agreed that last night. I consulted with the other states on those matters last night.
SPEERS: Individually or as a group?
PRIME MINISTER: Yes. We have a way of communicating collectively.
SPEERS: Okay, But it did not actually go into the full group meeting like…
PRIME MINISTER: It was all agreed to by all the states and territories last night.
SPEERS: So these states shutting down…
PRIME MINISTER: I wouldn't have announced it in those terms if I hadn't.
SPEERS: If shutting down these non-essential businesses, though, is it clear to you, because a lot of people tonight might be wondering, do I go to work this week or not? You know, if I work in accounting or a lawyer or do they go to work or not?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, my understanding is that workplaces have always been defined by the states as essential. And indeed, the legislation that the Victorian government put together on gatherings, essential and nonessential gatherings excluded workplaces, for example. But that said, David, as you know, many workplaces, including public sector workplaces, are engaging in rationing how many people are coming into an enclosed space on each day and that helps actually reduce the pressure on public transport systems and reduce the proximity in which people are travelling together. That's all sensible. That's all sensible arrangements. And one point I don't want people to lose here - Australians themselves need to exercise judgments about these issues. On the weekend…
SPEERS: But trying to find out what to do, just on work. Lawyers, accountants, administrators, should they be going to work this week?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, the states themselves will ultimately define what they consider essential. The legislation that they have already considered and have been putting in place for the other bans excluded workplaces. But as I said, there is also the arrangements that workplaces should be seeking to put in place, like I'm putting in place in this very office. The number of people who can be in this office at any one time is 15.
SPEERS: But it's a little confusing, with respect, right now.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, it’s four square meters per person in an enclosed space. And workplaces should be seeking to try and manage that within their workplaces unless for whatever reason, there might be a manufacturing process. And in those cases, those persons would have suitable precautions put in place.
SPEERS: But you’ve got you’re- you’ve got New South Wales and Victoria and the ACT saying non-essential businesses.
PRIME MINISTER: Well you should put that to both of them.
SPEERS: You’re not aware of what it means?
PRIME MINISTER: I'm working off the essential definition that they have been working on today.
SPEERS: Which is?
PRIME MINISTER: Workplaces are exempt from that, but at the same time, David, four square meters per person within an enclosed space should also be observed.
SPEERS: But that's not the blanket ban they're talking about on non-essential businesses.
PRIME MINISTER: What they will be looking to do is take further measures on non-essential gatherings of people.
SPEERS: Have they told you what that means though?
PRIME MINISTER: We’re meeting tonight David, and the medical expert advice will be provided to them. And I think that will provide them with greater clarity about how they're going to put that into place.
SPEERS: Is the National Cabinet process fracturing today?
PRIME MINISTER: No, I don’t believe it is, David, because I think your expectations of what you think it will do may be overstated.
SPEERS: Well, just some clarity on who goes to work and not.
PRIME MINISTER: And that will be provided by those states who are going to put those arrangements in place in their states.
SPEERS: Should they have waited till tonight?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, that is a matter for those individual states and territories. But this is not the only matters that we consider. I mean, the National Cabinet is dealing with everything from tenancy legislation to ensure that people don't get kicked out of their homes or out of their businesses or they're working on ensuring that we're getting the right support into aged care facilities and hospitals and how we manage the demand on ICUs in emergency departments. There are many issues that the National Cabinet is dealing with. Some of them are predominantly the responsibility of the Commonwealth government, but many, I must say, are the province of the states. Now, they need to make the decision about how much further they go and they need to make that, as I'm sure they are, on the basis of the health advice that they have and the specific situation in their states.
SPEERS: Well just on the health advice. Dan Andrews in Victoria says his state Chief Health Officer has advised they should shut down schools early from Tuesday. That's not your advice, though, is it?
PRIME MINISTER: The universal positions of all states and territories, including Premier Andrews, as recently as late last week was that all schools should remain open.
SPEERS: That's changed now, though, hasn’t it?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, as I flagged at the time, David, if the advice changes into the future, then obviously the measures states and territories will take will also change. But what hasn't changed is that in a situation, if a state or territory was to move to make those decisions, it is vitally important that health workers and other essential workers are in a position to have their children to attend schools. Otherwise, you're taking out 30 per cent of your health workforce and that…
SPEERS: Are you aware those provisions have taken place in Victoria?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, I know that they are in New South Wales - I haven't had the opportunity to talk to Premier Andrews today-
SPEERS: This is what I’m getting to…
PRIME MINISTER: We will speak tonight at the National Cabinet. The National Cabinet, David, is the first time this has ever been put in place in our federal history. It works by agreement and consensus and voluntary participation by the Premiers and Chief Ministers.
SPEERS: Are you annoyed at the Premiers getting out this afternoon on this announcement on schools?
PRIME MINISTER: No, I’m not, David. Because it's not for any leader to be getting annoyed about anything. It's about leaders being focused on the job they have ahead of them and respecting the job of other leaders. The Premier of Victoria has a responsibility to the people in his state, as does Premier Berejiklian have a responsibility to the people in her state. They need to make decisions that they believe are in the best interests of their state and I trust them to do that. And where we can do that on a more consistent basis, then, of course, that is helpful. But at the end of the day, I respect their sovereignty in their own states. They will make their decisions and they will explain their decisions and they will implement them to the best of their ability.
SPEERS: So bottom line, should kids go to school this week?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, my kids will be going to school and because that is the arrangement, as I understand it, in New South Wales. And if that were to change, then obviously that would be different. And the New South Wales Premier would make an announcement to that effect.
SPEERS: Do you think there's some frustration amongst the states that the National Cabinet isn't going to arrive at the position they want? That's why they're announcing this this afternoon?
PRIME MINISTER: It was the states themselves who were the most adamant about a collective and agreed position on schools. They were the ones insisting on that consistent position between them all. Now, if they want to make different decisions, again, they are entitled to do so. But what they are doing is letting the other states know what they are doing, whether it's the decision made by Premier Gutwein, which was a very sound decision, which dealt with the greater vulnerabilities of a population in Tasmania regarding travel. The same, absolutely, with the Chief Minister Gunner, who I've been working particularly closely with on the real dangers for remote communities. Every state, David, has different challenges. Their geography is different. Their population is different. The rate of spread of the virus is different. Their exposure to international flights at the outset of this virus, it's completely different. And so to think that there is a cookie cutter, one size fits all approach to every single state and territory is naive. The Premiers are not naive and the National Cabinet is not naive.
SPEERS: There's obviously different medical advice going in to different jurisdictions.
PRIME MINISTER: There’s been a consensus of advice on these issues.
SPEERS: Not on schools, though. Not today.
PRIME MINISTER: On schools, that has consistently come forward to the National Cabinet and if that consensus, which I imagine is being reviewed by the medical experts today, if there is a change in that consensus, then that will be relayed to the National Cabinet and states will make their own decisions based on their own individual advice.
SPEERS: Couple of basics. Can you give assurance to Australians tonight that food and medicine will be available through this crisis? They don't need to panic?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, that is certainly what is occurring right now David,I mean the next six months..
SPEERS: Will it?
PRIME MINISTER: That is certainly the plans we're putting in place. And Australia is better prepared on those issues than most countries in the world. And as I've said, there is no need, as the medical experts have said, there is no need to rush out and do the things that we're seeing some weeks ago. But equally, I need to address this - the suggestion that you can just lock the country down or a state for two weeks or four weeks and the virus passes is naive and it's false. That it will, at the end of that two or four weeks and you ease restrictions, the virus just starts again. If you put arrangements in place that shut down large parts of the country and the economy, then you better be prepared to hold on to those arrangements for at least the next six months.
SPEERS: Does that mean you'd rather not?
PRIME MINISTER: It means that I'll follow the medical advice. It means that I'll ensure that when you do put things in place, that it should be proportionate to the risk and take into account these other factors. Because know this - if we lose health workers out of the system, then that will cost lives and it will cost thousands of jobs. And I am looking at all of those issues and I know as we work together as a group of Premiers, Chief Ministers and myself, we are looking to best balance all of those interests. It's not easy, David. State and territory Premiers and Chief Ministers and Prime Ministers rarely agree. But I've got to say, as we've worked together through this crisis, we've sought to do that as much as we can.
SPEERS: Can I just ask you on food, though, the supermarkets have stopped most food home deliveries. Why can’t-
PRIME MINISTER: That’s not related to a supply of food.
SPEERS: No, okay, but it would be important, right, if people have to stay at home.
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah, I got this question today. And-
SPEERS: Why can’t we use the Army or someone to help the supermarkets with deliveries?
PRIME MINISTER: All of those options are available in what's called the national coordinating mechanism. That's where the Department of Home Affairs is working with the food suppliers, with the supermarkets.
SPEERS: Will that be done if it's necessary?
PRIME MINISTER: Absolutely, of course it will. I mean, I've already had the defence forces being deployed into the states to assist with the medical check-ups and chase ups, contact tracing, because some states, particularly New South Wales, have become overwhelmed. Now, it's important that we provide that support and we're there to help and the defence forces are turning up now just like they were during the bushfires. But it's a very different need.
SPEERS: And another basic question, some pretty horrible scenes out of Europe. Is our hospital system going to cope with what's coming?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, this depends on all Australians. If Australians choose not to self isolate, if Australians choose to not observe the medical advice of keeping the distance that we've recommended, and then we will obviously be forced to take very draconian measures and shutting down, then if Australians don't play their part, they can't then believe that the system won't come under greater stress. And this is why we're trying to be so clear about this. Everybody, every Australian is enlisted against the fight against this virus. And if Australians don't do the right thing, then they are putting other lives at risk. And other livelihoods at risk-
SPEERS: We can see what we see in Europe?
PRIME MINISTER: Now, Italy is a very different situation to Australia. The United States is a very different situation. We have different health systems. We have a different profile of population. We have different medical supports. Italy has a much older population and the social behaviour in different countries is different. Australia, we have done 127,000 tests. We have the lowest rate of positive tests in the world - 99 per cent of people testing negative. We have one of the highest rates of testing in the world. That means our data is very strong which helps us plan for the impacts that are coming.
SPEERS: But clearly what you're saying if people keep carrying on the way some of them have been, we're going to have a problem. Doesn't that underline the need to go a lot further with draconian steps to shut things down?
PRIME MINISTER: But that's what I'm telling you, David. I’m not - that's exactly what I'm telling you.
SPEERS: Why not do that now?
PRIME MINISTER: We will do that on the basis of that medical advice, looking at the data and that data is changing. And as we've always foreshadowed, this is not new. Just because some in the media are catching up to what's happening doesn't mean the government hasn't already been acting on that basis. What we are doing, we foreshadowed. We said there would need to be measures, they would need to be scalable, they would need to be graded up. And that would mean if there is not a broad cooperation in the population…
SPEERS: There’s not at the moment, is there?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, no, I don't… I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I think many Australians are doing the right thing, but not enough. And if that continues to be the case, as we’ve flagged, states will have to take more severe measures. But I'm saying they just won't be for a couple of weeks. I mean, kids could lose their entire year of school. That's what's at stake here. I mean, there are very high stakes decisions and there's a lot of opinions flying around based on ‘oh, you just do this or you're just do that’. Well, understand that's going to cost people's health, their livelihoods, their children's schooling and education. There is a lot at stake here now. These impacts as they are felt, as I've said many times today, these are going to break the hearts of Australians. But we must be determined to ensure it does not break our spirit.
SPEERS: Let me turn to the economic announcement today. This is a big package. Perhaps we go through a few things, casuals, sole traders and even Qantas workers, for example, who were just stood down. What do they get?
PRIME MINISTER: They will get access to the double jobseeker payment. They will get the ability to access their own superannuation savings of up to $20,000 over the next six months. They will, because they would have access to this double jobseeker payment…
SPEERS: Which is $1,100 a fortnight.
PRIME MINISTER: That’s right, a fortnight, they would also get potentially access to things like family tax benefit, rental assistance and a whole range of other support mechanisms in the welfare system.
SPEERS: Immediately?
PRIME MINISTER: Pretty much. Pretty much. And that will come in two phases. There is the immediate payment that will come for them being on jobseeker payment. There is the $750 payment, which all of those on jobseeker payment would receive. That was from this package we announced a week ago. And then from then, the additional payments of $550, the supplement, kick in every fortnight, every fortnight, every fortnight. Now that applies to sole traders whose business is down yet, they'll be able to do that while trying to keep their businesses alive. For those who are in casual employment and their hours reduced, that's there for them too. So what we've done is we've broadened the safety net and we've made it stronger because we know those who are going to be in that situation are in the frontline of the impacts of what is occurring. And it's already happening now and it is going to happen more in the future. And to, sorry to labour the point, but the more dramatic the measures we have to take to stop the spread of the virus, the more jobs will be lost.
SPEERS: Well, indeed, if people look at that number, $1,100 plus a few other benefits depending on their situation, if they say it's not enough to cover my rent and my food bills and so on for the family, what happens?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, this is why we've provided access to people's savings. And that's a significant change.
SPEERS: Their super.
PRIME MINISTER: That's a significant change. But equally, one of the things the National Cabinet is working on is if someone's in rental, for example, that we are working to ensure that there is a ban under rental agreements that people could be thrown out of their tenancies if they can't meet their rent. The same would apply to commercial tenancies as well. Equally, we've been working with the banks to ensure that people can get mortgage relief in those circumstances to reduce as many of their fixed costs. There'll be waivers that'll be on things like electricity and things like that from institutions. So we're all working to get all those prices and costs down and to increase the amount of support and payments that we can provide.
SPEERS: And what about the students on Youth Allowance.
PRIME MINISTER: Youth Allowance other, is covered.
SPEERS: So they’ll get the $1,100?
PRIME MINISTER: Youth Allowance is part of this plan, as is the single parent bonus.
SPEERS: Temporary visa holders? There's a whole bunch of them.
PRIME MINISTER: Under special benefit, they're covered.
SPEERS: So they'll get it as well?
PRIME MINISTER: Those who are on special benefits, that's also included in this package.
SPEERS: So does that include a foreign student, for example, or?
PRIME MINISTER: It all depends if they're on special benefit. Well, I mean, a foreign student wouldn't necessarily be on a benefit.
SPEERS: Ok, for the businesses, the small, medium sized businesses. You've announced payments of up to $100,000 over the coming six months for them. When will they start to get that?
PRIME MINISTER: That will come in their first, in their BAS in April and they can plan on that. It's about the 24th.
SPEERS: So a month from now?
PRIME MINISTER: But this is the point about the business support is they know it's coming and it's coming out of what they've already got, in many parts of it's a rebate on what they're withholding off their payroll and that will come over the next six months. So they have the certainty of what they know is going to happen with that withholding tax, which they have on their payroll.
SPEERS: What do you think of Boris Johnson…
PRIME MINISTER: Just before I go to that, because this is an important point, what we're doing is trying to give the businesses a lifeline to get over the next six months. And so our expectation is that these businesses we're supporting to do this, on the other side, that they will take those employees back. If they have to stand them down, well, we'll take them into the jobseeker payment. We'll make sure the safety net is bigger and stronger. And if we have to do more, we'll do more.
SPEERS: All right. That’s,
PRIME MINISTER: Of course we will. I made that point very clear today. But on the other side, the businesses we've kept alive through these payments and other things we're doing, whether it's on the guaranteeing of loans with the bank and the holiday on repayments and these sorts of things, on the other side, this is that this is the understanding, this is the moral agreement that on the other side we want you to put those workers back on.
SPEERS: This probably won't be able to stop a recession, though, will it?
PRIME MINISTER: Those sorts of things are now becoming academic. What I'm trying to do…
SPEERS: As in it's going to happen?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, that will be what it will be. What I'm trying to do is save as many livelihoods and save as many lives as I possibly can. That is my daily mission.
SPEERS: Just two quick ones - Parliament. You did meet with Anthony Albanese today. What's going to happen with any further sittings of Parliament over the next 6 to 12 months?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, look, we're still working on that with the opposition. We had a very positive, constructive meeting today. We're working together in the spirit of a national crisis. And I have no doubt we'll be able to come to a very useful set of arrangements, which means that the Parliament can do the job it needs to do, how often it needs to do that under what circumstances? Well, we'll work through those details. But the discussions are very positive and I thank the leader of the opposition for that.
SPEERS: Have you thought about putting him on your National Cabinet?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, National Cabinet is made up of executive leaders of Governments. It's not a cabinet of Parliaments. It's a Cabinet of Governments.
SPEERS: Would it get more bipartisanship?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, there are five Labor members of the national cabinet and there are four liberal. It doesn't get any more bipartisan than that. And the unanimous view of the National Cabinet is it's got to be governments because it's governments that are making decisions. It's governments that are providing payroll tax relief or changing tenancy laws. And it is a good, tight group. It's working well together. It's going to have disagreements from time to time. But I tell you what, I'm glad it's there and I'll be working night and day to keep it there. It's not going to agree on everything. But I can tell you, it is making a big difference and it's acting with a unity of spirit.
SPEERS: Prime Minister, thanks for your time tonight.
PRIME MINISTER: Thanks a lot, David.
Interview with Michael Usher, Channel 7
22 March 2020
MICHAEL USHER: Prime Minister, there's a great many people across our country who are fearful, a bit scared, uncertain tonight, and the states seem to be going their own way this afternoon. Lockdowns, some school closures or early holidays. Do you think it's now inevitable that we'll move as a nation toward a lockdown of all cities, a national lockdown to stop the spread of COVID-19?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, I certainly understand the anxiety of all Australians about the coronavirus. they've seen what's happening overseas and they've seen the escalation, the cases here in Australia, particularly in New South Wales. And so I understand that concern. I know Australians know that in the majority of cases, about 8 out of 10, actually a little better in Australia, and most Australians who would contract the virus would experience a mild illness. But the issue is ensuring that we contain as best as we can and control the spread because that will save lives of the more vulnerable members of our community. Now, we've always said, as a National Cabinet, that we will seek to get standardised and consistent responses. But I've also said that states will need to go beyond that to deal with the specific situations in their state. So that was completely envisaged. I mean, last week we'd actually acknowledged that as a group and we'd tasked the medical expert panel to provide advice about how states could take additional actions, particularly in areas of where there was outbreaks of the virus.
USHER: There is confusion out there, though. I mean, people are saying beaches close, but not schools broadly. I have to admit, I think I'm even unsure tonight and I'd like to think I'm pretty informed in the past few days. Should we be sending our children to school in the morning, Prime Minister?
PRIME MINISTER: The medical advice, my kids will be going to school in the morning and that's important and that school will be open, as I understand. And we'll be following the medical advice, as we always have, and that if our children are not well, then they shouldn't attend school. As long as the schools are open, that is the case. But importantly, as I said, for those health workers and others, a complete closure of schools across the country would take out 30 per cent of our health workforce. Now, you can imagine what the impact would be on running our intensive care units and our emergency departments if we were to get 30 per cent of those workers taken out of there or in aged care facilities. So these are the very difficult decisions that have to be taken when you're looking at these issues individually.
USHER: The 6 month window that you talk about often, can I talk to you about that or the 6 month period? This is looking forward and what we have to get our head around. Is that based on medical advice or is that your judgement call about what we just have to prepare for?
PRIME MINISTER: No, it's based on the expert modelling that we've had done through our medical experts to give us an idea about potential spread and duration of viruses under various scenarios, and I've said it's at least that. It could be a lot longer than that. And that's why I know when people start talking about locking things down, you can't just lock things down for two weeks and four weeks and open it again and think it's all going to be Okay. That would be a foolish decision, because when you open it up again, the virus just takes off. So if you shut things down, you have to understand that if you do that, that you may well be doing that for at least the next six months. And that has to be sustainable. That's why I say the economic impacts of this and the broader health impacts, it's going to break our hearts. I have no doubt. But it must not break our spirit or our resolve to continue to deal with this crisis in a sensible way, in a compassionate way, helping each other to help us all through to the other side.
USHER: And a big chunk, you’ve got $66 billion today was about preserving jobs. Are you worried, though, that the jobs might have gone already? A lot of layoffs already in the past week or so.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, there have been and there'll be many more. And that's why we've put in the, we've doubled the job seeker payment. We've basically waived so many of the rules to access it. And that means people also potentially going to, access to rental assistance and family tax benefit provision. This will be important to help them. What we did today was about widening and deepening and strengthening the safety net that is there for people. People will lose work and we know that's going to happen. We will seek to minimise it as much as possible. But I'm going to be straight with Australians. This is going to be the toughest economic situation we've likely seen since the Great Depression and also when it comes to war time, one of the biggest challenges of keeping Australians together and focusing forward since the Second World War. So people need to understand that we are in extraordinary times.
USHER: I want to talk to you about the hospitals briefly, Prime Minister. Health workers are telling us that they're facing shortages of some of the essentials, the masks, the hand sanitizers. They're concerned about access to respirators as well. What can we do to ensure that those essential services, those very much needed products, are accessible?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, we’re securing additional supplies for those, including tests. I mean, for example, on testing, we've done, I think about 127,000 tests. We have one of the highest rates of testing anywhere in the world. And we also have the highest, we understand, rate of negative turn backs or comebacks on those tests, some 99 per cent. So our testing is much higher than the United States or many other parts of the world. But equally with what's called the PPE equipment, the masks and things like that, we're ensuring that we've got domestic supplies that'll be able to be manufactured and we're repurposing our manufacturing lines to do that. There's a lot of work being done between the private industry and the government to deliver on that. On sanitizer, it's the same thing. Many, many companies are now changing their production lines to provide sanitizer. And when it comes to the respirator machines equally, that's something the Health Minister is working closely with the states and territories to ensure we get greater access. But the key thing is this, though, if people social distance, that is keep a healthy distance away from each other and don't do what we saw down at Bondi Beach, when people take these messages seriously about self-isolation, what you're doing when you do that is you're saving lives, you're saving people's livelihoods. And that's why it's so important. That is our biggest weapon against this virus, is every single Australian doing the right thing.
USHER: Let me talk to you about the Australian spirit. We saw the best of it during the bushfires. There's no doubt about that. We seem to have taken a complete left turn and gone to some places that have been pretty ugly. What do you... what's your take on that?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, there's a lot of great stories too, Michael. I know there's a lot of focus on the despicable behaviour we saw in supermarkets and the cavalier sort of disregard of public health that we saw at Bondi Beach, which I suspect people did naively, but innocently, because they weren't waking up to the very real situation we're in. But there are many more wonderful stories about Australians helping each other, particularly elderly Australians who are more at risk and need help getting access to supplies. And we're seeing that in our community and we're going to see more and more of it. People also taking their responsibilities just to socially isolate for 14 days if they're in that situation. People are doing that more and more. And I want to thank them for doing that and need to do more of it, because that, again, that is the weapon that we have to fight this virus and we're all enlisted in that task. So, yes, there have been concerning behaviours and those things need to stop. But equally, we're also seeing the very spirit you're talking about, and that's what I'm relying on to ensure that we can get everybody on this bridge to the other side of the recovery.
USHER: Your reaction to the AFL shutting down its season, that's been announced. No decision for the NRL yet?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, these are going to be things that are going to occur there. This is unprecedented. The fact that the AFL, as you've just told me, is not proceeding. I've been in meetings fairly back to back today. That doesn't surprise me, because now in this new world in which we're dealing with the coronavirus, I must say, nothing is surprising me because we need to take the sort of decisions that we've never even contemplated before. And the NRL, I'm sure, will weigh up their own decisions about what they do, and they'll be seeking to follow the health advice as well. And I'm sure they will follow that health advice because they know that is the most important thing.
USHER: Do you think we should be sending our team to the Olympics in Tokyo?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, again, the IOC will make the decision, but well, the simple answer to that is, is we have a complete travel ban to the rest of the world. So the Smart Traveller advice and the advice from the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, I think is pretty clear there.
USHER: And that would apply to our athletes going to the Olympics, yes?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, the health of all Australians is the most important thing. And there's nothing more important than that.
USHER: Just one message, if you can, Prime Minister, what do you say to Australians who are really feeling a bit rattled, uncertain, a bit scared right now?
PRIME MINISTER: These are anxious times, Australians are strong and we're going to find out just how strong we are, and I know we're not going to be disappointed. If we rally together, as we always have as a nation, we have the inspiration of those who've done it before us. We will get on this bridge to the other side of recovery. We will bounce back stronger. But it's up to all of us to do the part that we have in ensuring that Australia emerges from this stronger. And we support those most at need, most vulnerable, and we take them with us. And I know Australians won't let us down. That's not who we are as a people. We are people who overcome. That's what we've always done and that's what we're going to do.
USHER: Prime Minister, thank you for joining me.
PRIME MINISTER: Thank you very much.
Virtual Summit with the Prime Minister of the Republic of Singapore
20 March 2020
I am pleased to announce that I will be joining His Excellency Mr Lee Hsien Loong, Prime Minister of the Republic of Singapore, for a Virtual Summit on 23 March 2020.
I had invited Prime Minister Lee to visit Canberra as a Guest of Government, but due to the unfolding situation globally we will instead meet virtually.
Australia and Singapore both have advanced, sophisticated and technology-enabled economies. We have a Comprehensive Strategic Partnership and our bilateral relationship continues to advance into new areas, including the digital economy.
We are both strongly committed to continuing the business of government at this time, and I look forward to discussing our countries’ responses to the COVID-19 coronavirus pandemic – a global challenge that will only be addressed through countries working together.
We will also announce new bilateral initiatives in the digital economy and military training.
Australia and Singapore are bound together by shared values and common interests in regional resilience, stability and prosperity. My Virtual Summit with Prime Minister Lee will be an important opportunity to expand our cooperation and work to support an open, rules-based and prosperous global environment.
Interview with Alan Jones
20 March 2020
ALAN JONES: PM, thank you for your time.
PRIME MINISTER: Good morning, Alan.
JONES: And thank you as well for everything you're doing. I don't think anyone in your position in recent times has had these sorts of demands. It's difficult stuff. You said last Sunday, the truth is that while many people will contract this virus it is clear that, just as people get the flu each year and this is a more severe condition than the flu, but for the vast majority, around eight in 10 is our advice, it will be a mild illness and it will pass. Is that still the advice?
PRIME MINISTER: Yes, it is and that’s the experience of people who are going through this virus now and there will obviously have a lot more Australians now are going through the virus and that's still exactly what's occurring. And so for the more healthy amongst us, when we do the right thing and with all the rules that are being put in place, life has to change for some period of time, that is protecting the most vulnerable in the community, the elderly in particular but all those who might be undergoing chemo or things like that, they're a lot of people with immunosuppressed situations and we're helping them, we're protecting them.
JONES: Good on you. You're closing the border to all non-citizens and non-residents and you have said quote, “Our Government has taken this unprecedented step because around 80 per cent of coronavirus cases in Australia are people who caught the virus overseas before entering Australia or people who have had direct contact with someone who's returned from overseas.” Do you think perhaps in hindsight you should have done that earlier?
PRIME MINISTER: No, we were acting on advice on those things too, Alan. I mean, these are always balanced decisions and we're able to slow the viruses at the start as it spread in Australia through these early periods. I mean, the country which has actually been responsible for a large number of these has actually turned out to be the United States, at the end of the day. But that is a function of the number of people that travel between Australia and the United States as well. This virus has spread to more and more countries. I mean, Australia called the global pandemic more than two weeks ahead of the World Health Organisation. I remember the press conference I gave at the end of the parliamentary sitting day and I was saying we now need to prepare for a pandemic and at the time I think people thought I was being a bit alarmist. Well, not at all. The plans we started putting our place and those plans ultimately took us to where we are today.
JONES: No, you’re doing a good job, absolutely. Look, a tough one here and I'm getting a stack of correspondence about this and the sorts of things that I suppose are too delicate and sensitive to raise but it is about China and people are saying, well, hang on, China brought this disaster on to what is now the world economy. China will never be able to compensate the world, but how do the world's leaders make sure China does not now come in and buy assets at a huge discount? Should we have - I’m asking you as Prime Minister of Australia - a global policy excluding China from bidding now for devalued assets around the world?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, Alan, Australia will make decisions for Australia and the foreign investment review arrangements are the same as they were yesterday and the Treasurer, ultimately, will have those calls about any investments that are made in Australia. But, I mean, those decisions are made in Australia's national interests and I don’t think there’s any suggestion that any country, including China, has deliberately done something here. I mean, this is a global, this is a virus that the originated In Wuhan, China and it has gone around the world and it's had a devastating impact and I'm not aware of any of that practice that's happening in Australia, Alan. I’m sure the Treasurer will be watching it closely.
JONES: Good on you. We’ll be talking to the Treasurer on Monday, by the way, to our listeners out there. You’ve asked all businesses to do their bit to keep people in jobs, as I keep calling it the trifecta. You've already mentioned one, you’re going to look after the health of the vulnerable. Secondly, keep business in business and keeping people who still have jobs at work. The airlines have been given $715 million immediately. Now, I don't know whether you're aware but Qantas aren’t using that money to help people pay their mortgages and support their families. These people have been stood down on leave and they've been told that they can take the leave to which they are now entitled or they can take long service leave or they can take their annual leave and if they don't have any leave, they'll be given four weeks pay. Now, when people are stood down on leave if this goes on they may well be unemployed in no time and the worker seems to be underwriting the company. Did you give that money for the benefit of shareholders or for the benefit of employees?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, let's go through what we did. What we did is we waved aviation fees and we did it for all airlines, whether it was Virgin or REX Airlines or Qantas or any other. We’re just not going to charge aviation fees. Now, it's not immediate either, by the way, there is a partial backdate til the first of February but that was going forward. Now, with Qantas actually not flying anywhere effectively at all overseas and with their domestic fleet also not flying anywhere like they were before, I mean, a lot of those fees would be moot because they wouldn’t be paying them now anyway because they're not flying anywhere. So, it's a lot less than that. The second point is, Alan, I mean, these are difficult decisions. I mean, there are 10,000 employees still at Qantas each and every day, all the commitments of keeping a large airline like that running every day is also big. Now, obviously, I’m very concerned about the 20,000 who have had to stand down. I'm pleased that so many are in a position where they can access those sort of leave arrangements to keep them going and on the other side of that, obviously the government is working very hard to put in a new arrangement to cushion the blow more for anyone who's going and find themselves out of work. I'm sure that…
JONES: But don't you understand, and I’m sorry to interrupt you, but you’ve got to understand, don’t you, that if people take leave and use their own leave entitled, their only employees or their long service leave or their annual leave, they are effectively looking after themselves with what is their entitlement. The $715 million, none of that they see.
PRIME MINISTER: Alan, again, it's not $715 million that Qantas is seeing, I think it's going to be nothing like that that the whole industry sees because it's aviation fees they won't be paying anyway, that's just an accounting arrangement as to what the normal level of fees thereabouts would have been. But I mean, that that money is going to help the aviation industry just keep alive. I mean, these are companies that will have not a lot to do in terms of what their business is going to be. But people can access leave at the moment, well, these are extraordinary times. I mean companies are going to go through incredibly difficult times over the next six months, we're going to help them as much as we can and help them keep in jobs wherever we can, where people can access those arrangements what we want them to be able to do is at the end of this which could be six months or seven or eight months, we want to stand these organizations up again, we don't want people to leave these organisations and my understanding is what Qantas is doing, they’re saying people will leave the organisation but stay connected to it so on the other side, they'll be able to stand up again when the airline is going again and off we go again and that's what we, we're looking for companies and employees and employers to work together to see how they can best arrange, as I said, we are on this bridge, to get from where we are now, to the other side.
JONES: Yeah I know, everyone understands it.
PRIME MINISTER: I know it's tough, I know it's tough. And people are having to draw into their leave but these are extraordinary times and we need to use every resource, our own in the government, no one is holding back here, I mean this is a- they’ve got 10,000 people they're still employing Alan.
JONES: Right. Now yesterday you you made this announcement and we won't go into the detail of it and I've just covered it in the programme, about a hundred billion dollars to the banks and basically the principal there’s okay, there'll be more money available to the banks to assist small businesses you made that point and the, it will be cheaper than otherwise would be the case however you do- would understand would you not, that you can't pump prime the economy which you’re simultaneously shutting down for example, these loans are no good to someone if there is no business and I just take one example, if I might, of correspondence I have received, just take for example a wedding, the stylist, a person who runs weddings now I've got letters from people they employ, you know over a hundred people and basically this involves florists and stylists and prop hires and sending out invitations, wedding dresses and suits. But when you then restrict the crowd at the wedding to 100 people most venues are closing so a cheap loans not going to help them there is no business.
PRIME MINISTER: No I understand that Alan and what I mean through a crisis like this people will still have rent, they'll still have a range of fixed commitments and things that they're gonna seek to try and meet because they know on the other side they're gonna need all of these things they'll have lease payments and there'll be a whole range of things and so what this means is it’s keeping the banks in the position where they will be able to continue to lean forward to support businesses where they’re seeking that support and we're working on a range of other measures that will synchronize with this we've been working very closely with reserve bank over the course of many weeks now but particularly most recently and so what you want is in a crisis like this you want the banks to be able to keep extending credit where there are those who are seeking it and to be able to do it on very very good terms. Now Josh has been working with the banks very closely especially over the last couple of weeks, we're working on a package together with them he indicated that yesterday. I think we're getting very close there, very very close,
JONES: Yes I saw though you were working on a package, when will that package, when will you be, that’s the second tranche?
PRIME MINISTER: Well no there’s the second tranche of what we're announcing in terms of what the government is doing but the work we're doing with the banks, see Alan the government isn’t just the economy as you know, it's the private economy, there’s the government, everyone is working together and Josh has been doing a great job working with the banks to see what we can do to help people with their existing commitments and so this is all happening each and every day.
JONES: Well just to take your language, sorry to interrupt you, if I could just get you to clarify the point you made yesterday, you said we'll have more to say about the broader measures that we want to put in place to cushion the blow and to support small business and to support individuals directly impacted by the coronavirus economic impacts so could you just amplify a bit about supporting the individuals because they are on the bare bones of their backside?
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah income support, what, that's exactly what we're looking at. At the existing range of income support measures and particularly for those who would find themselves no longer in employment or have reduced hours of employment or sole traders in particular who find themselves where they had a business which was keeping them employed through their own efforts and looking at particularly their situation as well, but we're still working on the final details back of that.
JONES: Well on that, PM on that issue now for example, you already, not you- previous governments way back to Paul Keating underwrite university education, we don't deny education to people on the base of the fact their parents can't afford it and currently that will HECS debt of HELP debt is about $66 Billion dollars, it's paid when the graduate gets to about $45,000 so it's paid back, why not a business HECS, if a business made applications and said well look $40 grand, will keep us going, will keep my business going, will keep my employees in employment, why wouldn't you then do exactly to business what you're doing to university students?
PRIME MINISTER: Well Alan, what I can tell you is that what we're working on with the banks I can, I'm very confident we are going to be able to get a situation where we're achieving the same objective.
JONES: Righto, on travel, it's another issue isn’t it. I mean tours can't go ahead, people are not traveling, some people want their money back, smaller tour companies are going broke, they’ve had tours booked all over the world, customers want refunds, what you say to the travel industry, Flight Centre’s closing 100 stores?
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah I noticed they did that fairly quickly too and there'll be businesses that make decisions Alan and some of them may have had issues before this hit, I don't know whether that was the case with Flight Centre or not but they did seem to move very quickly on those things, but putting that to one side, look the travel industry has been terribly hit and that's why the government it will be moving to having a much much bigger package of support to cushion the blow for the many of those who are employees in those, working in those travel agents and you know, we all know people who work in that industry and the travel industries and pick the, right up the coast, and right across the country, and that's why there's a billion dollar fund which the Minister of Tourism, and and the Minister for Industry as well and others are working to see how that that support can be delivered but Alan this is this is a global coronavirus. This is what happens.
JONES: People understand that. I mean, we all know you've got a tough job we all know it's tough so we do appreciate the fact that so,
PRIME MINISTER: And I appreciate that. So we're providing support as broadly and and deeply as we possibly can to help people get through what will be certainly the next six months and if it's longer than that, then it'll be longer than that but you know,
JONES: PM though, why would a hundred people in a restaurant be a greater risk than a hundred people in a train carriage?
PRIME MINISTER: Well there's two issues here, first of all people being on a train carriage going to work to work at a hospital or get to where they need to keep the country functioning is essential. Absolutely essential that we keep doing those things. There are other activities that in times like this are not essential, and they're very important I have no doubt, someone's big day or wedding it's important. I understand that.
JONES: But are you going to cap, are you going to cap this? There is a story today that you’ve got a meeting today to cap one person per four square meters for indoor gatherings, which has been recommended to you which I understand is going to the National Cabinet today. So that could mean a one hundred square metre venue would be restricted to 25 people- you'd go broke?
PRIME MINISTER: Well Alan the National Cabinet will meet today and I'm not going to go into what they are or aren’t.
JONES: No I don’t expect you to,
PRIME MINISTER: Discussing, because they're the rules of the National Cabinet but what we are doing and what the health advice is, is to practice this social distancing, and when people are in closer contact particularly enclosed spaces that spreads the virus. We spread the virus, if that happens too quickly then elderly people are under great threat, and so there's no doubt that having to impose this social distancing, what that's actually, travel bans of people coming in, or people in venues, or in outdoor gatherings, we have to slow the virus and that means there are circumstances where we'll have to restrict the number of people that are in enclosed space. It’s what you have to do to save lives.
JONES: Okay we're very grateful, this communication is really important to the people out there grateful for what you're doing. We'll talk again next week.
PRIME MINISTER: Thanks a lot Alan.
Update on Coronavirus Measures
20 March 2020
Every Australian government is focused on slowing the spread of coronavirus to save lives.
The Prime Minister, state and territory Premiers and Chief Ministers met today for the National Cabinet and agreed to further actions to protect the Australian community from the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19).
The Chief Medical Officer provided the latest advice on the spread of COVID-19 globally and nationally. Leaders noted that Australia has one of the most comprehensive testing regimes in the world with over 100,000 Australian tests for COVID-19 having been undertaken. While the majority of COVID-19 cases in Australia continue to be from Australians returning from overseas, there have been a number of local outbreaks.
Every Australian has a part to play in slowing the spread of coronavirus.
All leaders reiterated the importance of Australians strictly adhering to social distancing and self isolation requirements, in particular for those who are unwell and for returned travellers. Not adhering to self isolation requirements when you are unwell puts the lives of your fellow Australians at risk.
The Governor of the Reserve Bank of Australia Dr Phil Lowe and the Treasury Secretary Dr Steven Kennedy provided an overview of the economic situation facing Australia as the world responds to COVID-19. Leaders welcomed the decisions by Australian banks to defer loan repayments for small businesses affected by COVID-19 by 6 months.
The National Cabinet agreed that putting budgets together at this time, with the great uncertainty that exists, is not something that any Commonwealth or State Government should be doing. The Federal Budget will be on Tuesday, 6 October 2020.
COVID-19 means that the way we go about our day to day lives is going to be different. The National Cabinet encourages Australians and businesses to adapt to the measures being put in place. It is vital that Australians adapt so they can go about their lives, run their businesses and work under these arrangements that could run for six months or more.
To slow the spread of COVID-19, the National Cabinet agreed to further detail on limits on indoor and outdoor gatherings designed specifically to slow the spread of COVID-19 in Australia. These measures were not taken lightly and are designed to protect the lives of Australians.
The National Cabinet reiterated there are extensive stocks and strong supply chains of food, groceries and medicine. Australia produces enough food for 75 million people and we are a country of 25 million. People hoarding food and medicines are leaving less available for vulnerable and sick Australians who need it. Police have been assisting to stamp out violent and anti-social behaviour.
Food stores have been limiting purchases of certain products to ensure restocking can meet demand. There are no supply shortages. The Commonwealth Government yesterday also announced restrictions on medicine purchases to ensure pharmacies can restock to meet demand so people can get the medicines they need.
The National Cabinet further noted again that in order to protect older Australians and vulnerable communities in the weeks and months ahead, Australia may see even more restrictions put on social and business movements. We need all Australians to please look out for each other and to follow the medical advice.
The National Cabinet will meet again on Tuesday 24 March 2020 to discuss further arrangements for domestic travel prior to the school holidays, arrangements for commercial and residential tenancies, managing critical health and hospital resources, and localised graduated responses to COVID-19.
Indoor Gatherings
As previously advised, non-essential indoor gatherings of greater than 100 people are not permitted.
This does not apply to essential activities such as public transportation facilities, medical and health care facilities, pharmacies, emergency service facilities, correctional facilities, youth justice centres or other places of custody, courts or tribunals, Parliaments, food markets, supermarkets and grocery stores, shopping centres, office buildings, factories, construction sites, mining sites, freight and logistics terminals, where it is necessary for their normal operation (although social distancing and hygiene practices are required in these settings).
National Cabinet agreed to risk mitigation measures for non-essential indoor gatherings of fewer than 100 people including the following:
In a given occupied space, there must be a density of no more than one person per four square metres of floor space. The 4 square metre arrangements for venues will come into effect from 20 March 2020 and will be mandated through state and territory regulatory arrangements.
For example, there can be 25 people in a 100 square metre room, who should maintain a physical healthy distance between each other of 1.5 metres.
Hand hygiene products and suitable waste receptacles must be made available, with frequent cleaning and waste disposal taking place.
The Department of Health recommendations for unwell individuals to isolate at home must be promoted.
For example:
Cinemas and theatres will decrease density of patrons, which could include alternate seating, staggered seating and alternate rows, except for family groups who may be seated together.
Seated restaurants may need to undertake a capacity reduction in order to meet the above density requirements.
Safe food and utensil handling statement for catering
The National Cabinet noted the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) advice that the primary transmission route for COVID-19 is person-to-person; it may therefore be transmitted via utensils or plates that have been handled by someone who has COVID-19.
For catering, advise staff if they feel unwell to stay at home, and deny entry to staff who are unwell.
All food, including pre-packaged foods such as boxed lunches, should be prepared by staff trained in safe food handling practices.
Ensure hand washing facilities are accessible for staff and supplied with adequate soap and paper towels.
Further information is available here: https://www.health.gov.au/committees-and-groups/australian-health-protection-principal-committee-ahppc
Outdoor Events
As previously advised, outdoor events of fewer than 500 attendees may proceed. There are general measures that all events should follow:
In a given occupied space, there must be no more than one person per four square metres of ground space.
Availability of hand hygiene products and suitable waste receptacles, with frequent cleaning and waste disposal.
Promotion of the Department of Health recommendations for unwell individuals to isolate at home and not attend.
Food markets are exempt from the 500 person limit, however must undertake additional measures, such as control of patronage level numbers or stall density reduction to decrease the risk of COVID-19 transmission.
Special exemptions for limitations on indoor and outdoor gatherings
There may be other gatherings that are not specifically mentioned here that are considered essential. The National Cabinet agreed that it is at the discretion of the individual state and territory Chief Health Officers or equivalent to assess each on their merits, and determine whether they can continue if mitigated by social distancing measures.
The development of any guideline requires continual re-evaluation and amendments or new guidelines may be released as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to progress.
Domestic Travel
As previously advised, all Australians should reconsider the need for unnecessary travel. If people are unwell they must stay at home, unless they are seeking medical care.
The National Cabinet previously agreed that public transport is essential and that AHPPC advice should apply in relation to public transport (trains, trams, buses, ferries), taxi and ride share vehicles and transport of vulnerable populations, with particular attention given to cleaning and hygiene.
The National Cabinet previously agreed that domestic air travel is low risk.
The next meeting of the National Cabinet will consider further arrangements for domestic travel.
International Travel Restrictions
The National Cabinet noted the AHPPC’s advice on high-risk countries for COVID-19 importation risk and its continued support for the 14 day self isolation requirement for all returning travellers.
The National Cabinet welcomed the Commonwealth Government’s decision to stop the entry of non-citizens and non-permanent residents and their immediate families into Australia after 9pm AEDT on Friday 20 March 2020 in order to align international travel restrictions with the risks. Limited exemptions will be available under the authority of the Australian Border Force Commissioner, focussed on individuals providing critical or essential services or on compassionate grounds.
Remote Communities
Isolation and remoteness offer opportunities for delaying or potentially preventing an outbreak of COVID-19 in remote Indigenous communities. However, high mobility of community members and a reliance on visiting and outreach activities and services increase the risk of COVID-19 occurring in these communities.
The National Cabinet provided in-principle agreement to the Commonwealth Minister for Health taking action under the Commonwealth Biosecurity Act 2015 to restrict travel into remote Indigenous communities to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
Under this measure, states and territories will nominate areas in consultation with Indigenous communities, and an emergency requirement determined under the Biosecurity Act 2015 will restrict persons from entering or leaving those nominated areas.
This follows the decisions of a number of Indigenous communities and the Western Australian Government to implement similar measures, and considerations by the Northern Territory Government to phase up their response by restricting access to remote communities.
Under this proposal an emergency requirement determined under the Biosecurity Act 2015 will restrict persons from entering or leaving areas as nominated by states and territories.
The emergency requirement will also allow jurisdictions to nominate a decision maker who will be empowered to permit additional classes of people to enter or leave the community in certain circumstances (e.g., to provide services that are essential for that particular community, such as child care support or mental health services).
Consistent with AHPPC guidance, individuals will be required to undergo a minimum period of isolation (currently 14 days) before entry or re-entry into the area will be allowed.
These rules are aimed at preventing the spread of COVID-19 in remote communities and to rapidly address outbreaks. Enforcement of these restrictions will be the responsibility of each jurisdiction. The National Cabinet agreed that these measures would be implemented as soon as possible.
Supermarkets and retailers
The National Cabinet reiterated that Australia’s food and medicine supplies are secure and there is no need to panic buy. Australians must stop hoarding from supermarkets, chemists and other retail outlets. There is no need to do this and it is depriving elderly and vulnerable Australians of essential supplies.
Criminal or violent behaviour will not be tolerated and will be dealt with swiftly by police. This behaviour is un-Australian.
A Supermarkets Taskforce has been established to work with all levels of government, industry and the community to ensure supermarkets can continue providing essential daily supplies and to rapidly resolve issues that may prevent this such as trucking curfews, home delivery arrangements and workforce safety.
Schools, Early Learning and Childcare
Arrangements for schools have not changed.
Consistent with earlier advice on schools, the National Cabinet agreed to the AHPPC advice regarding child care centre closures and noted that “pre‑emptive closures are not proportionate or effective as a public health intervention to prevent community transmission of COVID-19 at this time.”
AHPPC also provided a series of risk mitigation measures for early learning and child care, including:
exclusion of unwell staff, children and visitors;
reduce mixing of children by separating cohorts (including the staggering of meal and play times);
enhanced personal hygiene for children, staff and parents;
full adherence to the NHMRC childcare cleaning guidelines;
excursions other than to local parks should be discouraged; and
influenza vaccination for children, staff and parents.
AHPPC also noted that, “there may need to be consideration of alternative arrangements for highly vulnerable children” and recommended “these parents seek medical advice.”
Strategies to reduce transmission in schools were included in AHPPC’s advice on 17 March and include reducing public gatherings and mixing of students. Further information is available here : https://www.health.gov.au/committees-and-groups/australian-health-protection-principal-committee-ahppc
Criminal Justice System
State and Territory leaders agreed that from 20 March 2020 each State’s and Territory’s adult correctional system will restructure personal prison visits to help manage the risk posed to prisoners and staff by the introduction of COVID-19 into custodial facilities. Depending on their operational needs, this may include stopping visits in some jurisdictions.
Other measures
Aged Care Workforce Continuity
As the transmission of COVID-19 increases rapidly, it is our priority to protect and support elderly and vulnerable Australians.
Aged care is a critical sector that faces staffing challenges as existing staff are either subject to self-isolation requirements due to COVID-19 or are unable to attend work.
Building on the package of measures announced earlier this week, the Commonwealth Government is announcing four temporary measures designed to support the aged care workforce with $444.6 million worth of funding from the Commonwealth to:
Provide $234.9 million for a COVID-19 ‘retention bonus’ to ensure the continuity of the workforce for staff in both residential and home care.
Provide $78.3 million in additional funding for residential care to support continuity of workforce supply.
Provide $26.9 million to supplement the viability of residential aged care facilities (including National Torres Strait Islander Aged Care Program and Multi-Purpose Services and homeless providers).
Deliver $92.2 million in additional support to home care providers and organisations which deliver the Commonwealth Home Support Program, including for services such as meals on wheels
An extra $12.3 million to support the myAgedcare service to respond to the needs of older Australia.
The National Cabinet agreed that states and territories will issue nationally consistent public health directions on visitor restrictions for aged care facilities to complement regulatory standards adopted by the Commonwealth.
Consistent legal directions across states and territories will support public confidence and reduce confusion. Australians are receiving their advice through a range of channels, including national and local media, therefore consistency of messaging and language across jurisdictions is important.
Border Restrictions
19 March 2020
Prime Minister, Minister for Foreign Affairs, Minister for Women, Minister for Home Affairs
Australia is closing its borders to all non-citizens and non-residents.
The entry ban takes effect from 9pm AEDT Friday, 20 March 2020, with exemptions only for Australian citizens, permanent residents and their immediate family, including spouses, legal guardians and dependants.
New Zealand citizens who live in Australia as Australian residents are also exempt, as are New Zealanders transiting to New Zealand. Exemptions for Pacific Islanders transiting to their home countries will continue to apply.
Australian citizens and permanent residents and those exempt from our entry restrictions will continue to be subject to a strict 14 days self-isolation.
Our number one priority is to slow the spread of coronavirus to save lives.
Our government has taken this unprecedented step because around 80 per cent of coronavirus cases in Australia are people who caught the virus overseas before entering Australia, or people who have had a direct contact with someone who has returned from overseas.
Our previous travel and entry restrictions have already meant that daily travel to Australia by non-citizens has been reduced to about one third of what it was this time last year.
We also strongly urge Australians looking to return home to do so as soon as possible. This follows our upgraded travel advice for all Australians not to travel overseas, at all.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade will provide consular advice and assistance, but the capacity for DFAT to provide consular services may be limited by local restrictions on movement, as well as the full scale of the challenges posed by coronavirus.
Australians who cannot, or do not want to, return home should follow the advice of local authorities and minimise their risk of coronavirus exposure by self-isolating.
The government is in discussions with airlines about the continuance of some international flights for the purpose of bringing Australians home and continuing the movement of goods and freight.
These challenges vary and the situation is changing rapidly.
Our government will continue to act on the best available information to keep Australians safe.
Interview with Paul Murray, Sky News
19 March 2020
PAUL MURRAY: Prime Minister, good evening. Congratulations on, among other things, the clarity of today.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, thank you, Paul. But, I mean, we're getting great advice from the medical experts panel. We've got a great team working together as part of the national cabinet and, of course, the Federal Cabinet as well as which has been meeting regularly. There's a lot of people working very hard to keep Australians as safe as we can, but also to keep Australia functioning, keep Australia running. And a lot of changes, as I said today, and there'll be a lot more, but Australians are up to the challenge.
MURRAY: A lot of people see snippets of things on the news or may read things, of course, tomorrow in the paper. But this is a chance to hear from you. So I want to ask a few pretty obvious and clear questions here. Why do you think this is going to go for more than six months?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, this is the advice we're getting on the run of the virus and a lot of the modelling that we have done. I mean, it could be longer than that. The reason I'm making that point very clear is there seems to be a view, and the Chief Medical Officer was pointing this out as well, that somehow you can just turn the tap off for two weeks and all of a sudden we've got through the coronavirus. That's just not true. And people who are thinking about it in those terms are really not understanding, I think, the scale of what's happening here. I mean, of course, as you've been rightly saying, I must say, night after night and for some time now, eight out of 10 people who will contract this virus; most of us being relatively healthy, then it'll be a mild illness. But our goal here is to really focus on supporting the needs and protecting the most vulnerable in our community, which, of course, are the elderly. But there are those undergoing chemo treatment, there are people in remote indigenous communities, there's a whole range of people who are vulnerable to this virus. And when the rest of us do the right thing, we're protecting them and we're saving their lives. So six months is indicative. I certainly don't, at this point, think it would be any less than that. But we need to understand that the things we do, social distancing measures, all these things, we need to be able to keep doing, not just for a week or two, but for the next six months. And so when we designed the things that we're doing, we're designing them to be sustainable but also scalable. We can tighten it up more and more as time goes on.
MURRAY: It feels like schools is the issue that either parents are making their own decisions about or it's the one that you're being asked an awful lot about. On Monday in New South Wales, apparently, 25 percent of students weren't at school, apparently between a third and on its way to half in Victoria yesterday. Put simply, why do we have to leave schools open? And what do you want to say to the parents tonight who are lineball about their kids going to school tomorrow?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, first of all, we need to take decisions in relation to health advice. And the health advice that we have is that the coronavirus has a very limited impact on younger people, particularly children. When you look at what has happened in China, the rate of infection in those areas is around, I think, about 2.4 percent. And in the majority of cases there, we understand that they contracted it not at the school, but actually from in their homes and with adults and parents and in the broader community. So the health advice is that by keeping schools open and children going to school, they are not highlighting this as a risk for parents or the kids. I mean, Jenny and I, we send our kids to school and we believe that is the right decision because we're following the advice of the medical experts who are in turn advising the government. The second issue is this. I can understand if a parent is in a position for their child to stay home and they feel particularly strongly about this and concerned about the health of their children and they don't accept that advice. Well, I mean, we're all responsible for our own kids. And so I'm not making a judgement about that, but what I am saying is that if we closed schools down where there isn't a health reason for doing it, then the dislocation and disruption that that provides more broadly can be frankly very dangerous, very dangerous on a couple of points. The first one is it could compromise about 30 percent of our health workforce. Second, it will further disrupt what happens in the economy and the costs there are tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of jobs because of the dislocation. I mean, right now, getting supermarket shelves stacked is important. And jobs like this, roles of nurses and doctors and others who need to get about what they're doing, well, schools remaining open - they're not a child minding service, it’s the school. And the last point I'd make is this, Paul. As I said before, what you do, you've got to keep doing for the next six months. You shut them down, they won't open again. And that means your children will miss what is effectively a whole year of their education. Now, if there's not a good health reason to do that and risk the child's education or cause the rather significant economic costs of tens of thousands of jobs, if not more, as well as compromising, most importantly, the health workforce we need to protect the most vulnerable then, you know, you should keep the schools open. And that's certainly the advice we have. And that's why I've formed such a strong view on this based on the medical advice I've received. But not just me - every Premier, every Chief Minister. We are all as one on this.
MURRAY: Today, it was the airline industry. Earlier in the week there was talk about sporting codes. No doubt next week there will be another industry that says they're going to need help. It’s a very wide ranging question, but I'd like to get an insight into the thinking and the decision making here. How will you decide what industries get assistance? Which industries are bailed out? Which industries are protected? Which industries get payments? Because, quite obviously, there's 25 million people in the country. There's multiplicity of businesses. And not everyone is going to get something from the Federal Government next week.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, first of all, we're not taking a sectoral approach, as the question suggests. I mean, we have a sectoral fund with which we funded the fee relief that we provided the aviation sector yesterday and there'll be some targeted issues around tourism and other measures like that and particular parts of the country that might be more adversely affected than others. But the broader support, the broader measures are going to be far more widely across the economy. I mean, last week what we did was we focused on how we can do things to boost demand, support small business, trying to keep people in jobs, but also where people have investment plans at the moment that they would keep them in place with the tax incentives that we put around those investments. That was the task last week and that task remains incredibly important and we'll be legislating for that when the Parliament resumes on Monday. The task we have now, particularly following the decisions that we've taken for basically shutting down borders, I mean, we've said Australians can't travel overseas and effectively the same is true of anyone coming here to Australia. That has a very dislocating and significant impact on the Australian economy. The social distancing measures that are put in place around gatherings and so on, it’s going to have a very significant impact, not just in the event sector or the tourism sector or the aviation sector. This will domino right across the economy. The next package of measures that the Treasurer and I are working on with the Cabinet is to really cushion the blow for those small businesses more broadly, how they're going to be impacted in terms of their cash flow again but also, sadly, those who might find themselves with not as much work as they had before. Sole businesses who won't be able to make their sole business operate to the same level or at all and to ensure that we cushion the blow for them by making the safety net a lot stronger and a lot wider to catch more, because we're going to have to do that to support people through the many months ahead.
MURRAY: What about those casual workers? There are people watching us right now, particularly in regional Australia, who might be working one or two retail jobs. That's the money that they have to pay all of their bills. When demand in certain sectors closes or slows because of the obvious limitations that are about to come to Australian life, what do you want to say to people who are that type of a worker, particularly in regional Australia?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, two things. The first one is that's why we'll be taking action to bolster and support the safety net that's available to people during these times. And we understand the need to do that and we'll be moving strongly in that direction. The second thing, Paul, is that the virus, as significant as the economic impact is, and it's very significant. We haven't seen anything like this for decades and decades and from a health point of view, we haven't seen anything like this since the end of the First World War. So this is on a scale that none of us have seen before unless we have been around this planet for a very, very long time. And what I'm saying to them is it has a finite life, this virus, it will run for a period. I'm saying at the moment we are estimating no less than about six months. It could be longer. It could take us into the end of the year. But we'll have to just wait and see. But it will end at some point. There is no problem with the financial system. There is no problem with the economic fundamentals. This is a virus that has basically pushed pause on the entire global economy, including our own domestic economy. But the pause button will come off and the economy will restart again. And so what we are all doing together is getting through this period, because on the other side, I want to say that there will be a bounce back. There will be a return. There will be that upkick. And on the other side of that, we will get through there together. Then we'll be able to start rebuilding again after this, what will be a very difficult period of time. I'm not diminishing that for a second. And that's why we'll be improving the safety net structures and cushioning the impact of what will be very real. We all know how it is already being felt right now in those communities down where you are, up in North Queensland, over there in Geraldton in Western Australia, all around the country. I want to assure people that we are very conscious of the very real situations that people are facing. And we are not resting a moment in putting in place the supports we think we can really deliver to help you.
MURRAY: There are some amazing stories that we are hearing this week, in particular, of big brained Australian scientists, Australian research projects, that are working their backside off and geez, they seem to be getting very close to a link in the chain that is really going to help with the treatment potential vaccination that comes down the track. Those same organisations, or at least a couple of them, have also been saying that they are looking for some research money. Obviously, you're proud of the work that they are doing. But is there some sort of a surge in financial support that is coming the way of the researchers who might help us get out sooner rather than later?
PRIME MINISTER: Oh yeah, we announced $30 million extra for that just last week. And every year we put over about, I think, $76 million a year into the sort of virology research, and we're a big believer in a big funder of research in the medical area. And that's why we've seen, I think, such a wonderful and exciting and talented group of people forming together in all sorts of institutes around the country. I mean, the great one up there at the University of Queensland, which I know you've been focused on, Paul. The Doherty Institute, which we established, effectively, through the research centre down there in Melbourne, which I visited a few weeks back. I was getting advice from them and seeing how they were working on these very issues. So, yes, absolutely, it's part of the response. And I'm very proud of what Australian scientists and researchers are doing, so much so that other philanthropists around the world are actually identifying Australian research centres as being one of the places they think they should be sending their money because they believe that we've got the right people to get the job done. And I think they're right.
MURRAY: You talked today, and I thought it was important that this was mentioned today, about the misinformation. Literally yesterday there was a text message that was being traded around the country that purported to be the inside word on what was about to happen, which was effectively total shut down. There was a B.S. recording that was supposedly of a health minister telling people that the joint was about to shut down. How do we combat this stuff? Because, understandably, people will all sit there and we'll all pay attention to the official stuff. But if people feel that, you know, somehow there's an inside word, an inside tip, Australians, by our very nature, are always keen to know something before we get told. How do we tackle misinformation, including on things like social media, that seem to be making things way worse than they need to be?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, as you say, Paul, Twitter is not real. It's not real life. So don’t believe it.
MURRAY: Yes, correct.
PRIME MINISTER: If there's something that is there that is posted by the Commonwealth Medical Officer or the Australian Government or the New South Wales or Victorian Governments or those health experts that are the ones that are actually defining the advice that is framing government policy, then, yes, they are official, that is the official information. And, you know, I commend you for the research and other things that you're publishing, particularly on those numbers of cases that are actually of people that have been able to come through the virus. And that's an important stick as well. And so the recovery statistic, because there is a recovery, and that information is the important information and we seek to counter it, and that's why the Chief Medical Officer or his Deputy is out every day. That's why the Health Minister is out there every day. That's why I'm here on your programme tonight.
For those who engage in this activity of feeding out spurious and misleading information, that is a very dangerous and reckless thing that you're doing and you're a danger to your fellow countrymen and women. And that is something that I think is absolutely despicable behaviour. It's not funny, it's not clever. It is downright dangerous. And for the many Australians in this country right now whose lives are at risk from this in vulnerable areas and you're not helping them and you should wake up to yourself if you're doing that.
MURRAY: Just finally, to everyone who is watching us in lounge rooms around the country, you've got a direct chance to talk to them now. Anything you want to say directly to the people who have heard so much?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, I want to thank Australians, the vast majority of whom have been seeking to sensibly and calmly deal with what is a great shock. I mean, this virus has continued to grow day by day around the world, and it's unprecedented in terms of our own lived experience today. And I want to thank those Australians who have been helping their fellow Australians and supporting them and making sure that those who are in self-isolation, when they've been taking the meals or just checking in on them. Those have been looking after the elderly, those who've been doing the right thing. I want to say thank you, because you're the Australians who will ensure that we will get through this together. And I want us to all be encouraged to take that approach. We will get through this. Life has changed. Life will keep changing as we go through these next many months. And we will seek, wherever we can, to let you know what the next set of decisions that are coming. I want you to be very encouraged by the National Cabinet. This is the first time this has ever happened. As you say, Paul, Team Red, I'm going to put it around the other way. Team Blue and Team Red. Whichever way you want to call it. Five Labor, four Liberal, all working together with a sense of unity and purpose and cooperation that you would expect us to do, particularly in a situation like this. And I've got to say, I'm very privileged to be part of that group of people who are working so closely together to get this right. All we're focused on is you, on Australians and to ensure that we can get you the right support, the right health support, the right advice, so you can make the best decisions for you and your family. But the overall message is this, Paul, we're going to get through this. Australians are amazing. We're an incredible country. And on the other side, we will bounce back strongly because that's what we do.
MURRAY: It's all about hope over fear. It's all about clarity. It's all about resilience. And it is all about recovery. That's what Australians do best. We're being tested, but we're just being tested in a new way that we will pass. Thank you, sir.
PRIME MINISTER: Thanks a lot, Paul. All the best.
Parliamentary Sitting Arrangements
18 March 2020
Prime Minister, Minister for Finance, Leader of the Government in the Senate, Attorney-General, Minister for Industrial Relations, Leader of the House
Our Government is committed to ensuring that through this coronavirus crisis we protect not only Australians’ health, but secure their jobs and livelihoods.
We want to ensure Australia can bounce back strongly when this crisis has passed. That is why it is important that the Government’s economic stimulus measures pass the Parliament next week.
Following discussions with the Leader of the Opposition, we have agreed that it is critical that Parliament meet in order to provide this support to Australians as well as to consider other urgent legislation.
Given the current circumstances, this sitting week will be different. We need to be conscious of protecting parliamentarians and their communities.
The Parliament will meet only to consider the legislation that will enact the stimulus package and any other immediate business.
Further, the Government will arrange with the Opposition for both the House of Representatives and the Senate to minimise the requirement for members and senators to attend.
For the full days that the Parliament sits, there will be a Question Time on the basis that only the required Ministers, members and senators attend the chambers to reduce the number of members and senators in each chamber.
The arrangement that has been agreed to includes:
In the House of Representatives and the Senate, there will be pair arrangements between the Government and Opposition Whips. All crossbench and independent Members and Senators will be able to attend, should they want to. In the House there will be 30 pairs. In the Senate, arrangements will be finalised in consultation with the Opposition and the Senate crossbench in coming days.
Pairs will be determined in the normal ways, in particular considering parliamentarians’ welfare. If a parliamentarian is sick or self-isolating or consideration needs to be given to the welfare conditions of their communities, pairs will be made. Government and Opposition whips will also work to minimise the number of members and senators from remote areas or who have the longest travel requirements.
Members and senators should bring only essential staff with them for the sitting period following the advice of the Speaker and President issued yesterday.
These arrangements allow for Parliament to sit, giving the chambers quorums and to consider the urgent stimulus package and other immediate business.
Ahead of next week, the Government has been working to finalise drafts of relevant legislation. This will be finalised to allow sufficient time for the Opposition to be briefed on the measures, and to consider them prior to debate.
If the legislation is passed by the Senate unamended and does not require further consideration by the House, then the House and Senate will be adjourned after all necessary business is finalised.
The Government will provide updates on the arrangements for the Budget sitting period closer to the time, which will be informed by relevant advice.
It is important that our Parliament meet next week to consider these important matters. We are committed to providing the support to Australians that they need during this crisis.
Update on Coronavirus Measures
18 March 2020
The focus for the Commonwealth, State and Territory Governments is the health and wellbeing of Australians and their livelihoods, ensuring that Australia is positioned to emerge strong and resilient from this global pandemic crisis.
Leaders met last night for the second National Cabinet meeting and agreed to further actions to protect the Australian community from the spread of coronavirus (COVID-19).
General Population - Indoor Gatherings
As part of our efforts to slow the spread of COVID-19 in Australia, the National Cabinet has accepted further restrictions on gatherings.
The National Cabinet has accepted the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee (AHPPC) advice that non-essential indoor gatherings of greater than 100 people (including staff) will no longer be permitted from Wednesday 18 March 2020.
An indoor gathering refers to a gathering within a single enclosed area (i.e. an area, room or premises that is or are substantially enclosed by a roof and walls, regardless of whether the roof or walls or any part of them are permanent, temporary, open or closed).
This does not apply to essential activities such as public transportation facilities, medical and health care facilities, pharmacies, emergency service facilities, correctional facilities, youth justice centres or other places of custody, courts or tribunals, Parliaments, food markets, supermarkets and grocery stores, shopping centres, office buildings, factories, construction sites, and mining sites, where it is necessary for their normal operation (although other social distancing and hygiene practices may be required in these settings).
The states and territories will give further consideration to practical guidance and rules for non-essential indoor gatherings of fewer than 100 people (including staff) such as cinemas, theatres, restaurants/cafes, pubs, clubs, weddings and funerals. This will be considered at the next National Cabinet meeting on Friday 20 March 2020. In the meantime these venues should continue to apply social distancing and hygiene practices.
This includes being able to maintain a distance of 1.5 metres between patrons.
Hand hygiene products and suitable waste receptacles need to be available, with frequent cleaning and waste disposal.
This may require significant changes to the operation of some venues, such as reducing the maximum capacity or increasing the space available.
Settings like gyms, indoor fitness centres and swimming pools are not required to close at this time providing they meet these requirements for social distancing and hand hygiene. Such venues should take actions to ensure regular high standards of environmental cleaning take place.
General Population - Outdoor Gatherings
Outdoor events of fewer than 500 attendees may proceed. There are general measures that all events should follow, including:
In a given occupied space, there must be no more than one person per four square metres of ground space.
Availability of hand hygiene products and suitable waste receptacles, with frequent cleaning and waste disposal.
Food markets are exempt from the 500 person limit, however must undertake additional measures, such as control of patronage level numbers or stall density reduction to decrease the risk of COVID-19 transmission.
There may be other gatherings that are considered essential and it is at the discretion of the individual state and territory Chief Medical Officers or equivalent to assess each on their merits, and determine whether they can continue if mitigated by social distancing measures.
Domestic Transport
National Cabinet agreed that all Australians should only consider travelling when it is essential. If unwell, people must stay at home, unless seeking medical care.
National Cabinet agreed that public transport is essential and that AHPPC advice should apply in relation to public transport (trains, trams, buses, ferries), taxi and ride share vehicles and transport of vulnerable populations, with particular attention given to cleaning and hygiene.
National Cabinet agreed that domestic air travel is low risk. The issue of where people are travelling to and sensitive locations where travel should be restricted, will be developed with advice of states and territories.
The National Cabinet will further consider social distancing arrangements for domestic transport at its next meeting on Friday 20 March 2020.
In all cases, appropriate social distancing and hygiene practices should be applied.
Anzac Day
Anzac Day is an important commemoration where we demonstrate our respect and admiration for Anzacs past and present. But the way we commemorate Anzac Day this year will need to change.
The National Cabinet has agreed that Anzac Day ceremonies and events should be cancelled due to the high proportion of older Australians who attend such events and the increased risk posed to such individuals. A small streamed/filmed ceremony involving officials at a state level may be acceptable. There should be no marches.
All Australian-led international Anzac Day Services will be cancelled for 2020 given international travel restrictions and restrictions on public gatherings.
The Australian War Memorial will aim to conduct a national televised Dawn Service with no general public attendance.
State and Territory Governments and the RSLs will work together on local community arrangements to commemorate Anzac Day.
Recommendation on bulk purchase of supplies
The National Cabinet has strongly endorsed the AHPPC advice against the bulk purchase of foods, medicines and other goods.
We strongly discourage the panic purchase of food and other supplies. While some advice has been provided to have a small addition of long shelf life products in the case of illness there are a range of mechanisms in place to support people in self-isolation, including food and other deliveries. AHPPC notes that the risk of individual Australians being asked to quarantine in coming weeks is low, and encourages individuals to plan with friends and family in the event of the need to isolate. We recognise the importance of supply lines to remote communities.
Aged Care and Older Australians
As the transmission of COVID-19 increases rapidly, it is our priority to protect and support elderly and vulnerable Australians. Aged care is a critical sector that faces staffing challenges as existing staff are either subject to self-isolation requirements due to COVID-19 or are unable to attend work.
The National Cabinet has agreed to the recommendations by the AHPPC to enhanced arrangements to protect older Australians in Residential Aged Care Facilities and in the community
Restrictions on entry into aged care facilities
The following visitors and staff (including visiting workers) should not be permitted to enter the facility:
Those who have returned from overseas in the last 14 days;
Those who have been in contact with a confirmed case of COVID-19 in the last 14 days;
Those with fever or symptoms of acute respiratory infection (e.g. cough, sore throat, runny nose, shortness of breath); and
Those who have not been vaccinated against influenza (after 1 May)
Visitors
Aged care facilities should implement the following measures for restricting visits and visitors to reduce the risk of transmission to residents, including:
Limiting visits to a short duration;
Limiting visits to a maximum of two immediate social supports (family members, close friends) or professional service or advocacy at one time, per day;
Visits should be conducted in a resident’s room, outdoors, or in a specific area designated by the aged care facility, rather than communal areas where the risk of transmission to residents is greater;
No large group visits or gatherings, including social activities or entertainment, should be permitted at this time;
No school groups of any size should be allowed to visit aged care facilities.
Visitors should also be encouraged to practise social distancing practices where possible, including maintaining a distance of 1.5 metres.
Children aged 16 years or less must be permitted only by exception, as they are generally unable to comply with hygiene measures. Exemptions can be assessed on a case-by-case basis, for example, where the resident is in a palliative care scenario.
Measures such as phone or video calls must be accessible to all residents to enable more regular communication with family members. Family and friends should be encouraged to maintain contact with residents by phone and other social communication apps, as appropriate.
Managing illness in visitors and staff
Aged care facilities should advise all regular visitors and staff to be vigilant for illness and use hygiene measures including social distancing, and to monitor for symptoms of COVID-19, specifically fever and acute respiratory illness. They should be instructed to stay away when unwell, for their own and residents’ protection.
Given the high vulnerability of this particular group, aged care facilities should request that staff and visitors provide details on their current health status, particularly presentation of symptoms consistent with COVID-19. Screening for fever could also be considered upon entry.
These additional measures should be implemented in order to better protect residents and prompt individuals entering the aged care facility to consider their current state of health prior to entry. Both individuals and management need to take responsibility for the health of visitors and staff at facilities to protect our most vulnerable community members.
These are the recommendations of the AHPPC, individual facilities may choose to implement additional measures as they see fit for their circumstances.
Symptomatic staff
Staff should be made aware of early signs and symptoms of COVID-19. Any staff with fever or symptoms of acute respiratory infection (e.g. cough, sore throat, runny nose, shortness of breath) should be excluded from the workplace and tested for COVID-19. Staff must report their symptoms to the aged care facility.
Further information is available at: https://www.health.gov.au/committees-and-groups/australian-health-protection-principal-committee-ahppc
Schools
The National Cabinet has accepted the advice of the AHPPC that schools should remain open at this time.
Specifically the National Cabinet has agreed that “pre-emptive closures are not proportionate or effective as a public health intervention to prevent community transmission of COVID-19 at this time.”
National Cabinet also noted AHPPC advice that “More than 70 countries around the world have implemented either nationwide or localised school closures, at different times in the evolution of the local COVID-19 epidemic, however it should be noted the majority of these have not been successful in controlling the outbreak. Some of these countries are now considering their position in relation to re-opening schools.”
Boarding schools
The National Cabinet noted that boarding schools are “at high risk of transmission” and encouraged boarding schools and parents to “consider the risks versus the benefits of a student remaining in boarding school”.
Universities and other higher education centres
The National Cabinet accepted the advice that university and higher education “should continue at this time” with risk mitigation measures, including working from home arrangements where effective. As with boarding schools, group student accommodation “presents a higher risk” that warrants consideration of “closing or reducing accommodation densities” if risk mitigation is not possible.
Community Sport
The National Cabinet accepted advice from the AHPPC that community sporting activities could continue with involvement from essential participants (players, coaches, match officials, staff and volunteers involved in operations, and parents and guardians of participants).
This advice follows ongoing consultation with sporting organisations which has resulted in guidelines being prepared for community sporting organisations. The guidelines provide relevant advice on change room access, physical contact, travel, and social distancing and hygiene practices.
Furthermore, it has been acknowledged that contact sports have a greater risk of transmission than other sports, and as such, should be considered on a case-by-case basis.
All sporting codes should seek public health advice applicable to their codes, and take into account outdoor mass gathering issues.
Further work on Indigenous and NDIS Australia
Further work will be progressed by Friday 20 March 2020 and will include additional support for vulnerable Australians including indigenous communities and NDIS participants.
The Department of Social Services (DSS), National Disability Insurance Agency (NDIA) and NDIS Quality and Safeguards Commission (NDIS Commission) are working together in preparation to respond to COVID-19 and its impact on the NDIS.
Additional measures
Commonwealth emergency powers
The National Cabinet noted that Commonwealth, States and Territories were implementing emergency powers under respective legislation in order to be able to deal with the spread of COVID-19 as quickly and flexibly as possible.
The Governor-General has accepted the Commonwealth Government’s recommendation that he declare a “human biosecurity emergency” under the Biosecurity Act 2015 given the risks COVID-19 poses to human health and the need to control its spread in Australia.
That declaration would allow the Health Minister to issue targeted, legally enforceable directions and requirements to combat the virus.
The declaration was recommended by the Chief Medical Officer in his capacity as the Director of Human Biosecurity.
The first emergency requirement that will be made under the declaration is to formally prohibit international cruise ships from entering Australian ports for an initial 30 days, which provides additional legal support for the decision announced on Sunday 15 March 2020.
Additional Support for International Student Nurses
The Commonwealth Government will relax international student nurse visa work conditions to provide workforce continuity for aged care facilities, home care providers and other health care workers. This will allow international student nurses and other aged care workers to work more than the 40 hours a fortnight that they are currently. This measure will be examined on an ongoing basis. There are currently around 900 approved providers of residential aged care employers and around 1,000 approved providers of Home Care Packages. There are currently around 20,000 international student nurses studying in Australia.
Level 4 Travel restrictions - Do Not Travel
The National Security Committee of Cabinet has decided to raise the advice for all overseas travel to the highest level. Our advice to all Australians - regardless of your destination, age or health - is do not travel overseas at this time.
This our highest travel advice setting – Level 4 of 4.
The decision reflects the gravity of the international situation arising from the COVID-19 outbreak, the risks to health and the high likelihood of major travel disruptions.
We also now advise Australians who are overseas who wish to return to Australia, to do so as soon as possible by commercial means. Commercial options may quickly become limited.
Anyone arriving in Australia from overseas, including Australians citizens and permanent residents, will be required to self-isolate for 14 days from the date of arrival.
We have issued this advice for several reasons:
There may be a higher risk of contracting COVID-19 overseas.
Health care systems in some countries may come under strain and may not be as well-equipped as Australia’s or have the capacity to support foreigners.
Overseas travel has become complex and unpredictable. Many countries are introducing entry or movement restrictions. These are changing often and quickly, and your travel plans could be disrupted.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade will do what it can to provide consular advice and assistance, but DFAT’s capacity to do so may be limited by local restrictions on movement, and the scale of the challenges posed by COVID-19. These challenges vary and the situation is changing rapidly.
Australians who cannot, or do not want to, return home should follow the advice of local authorities and minimise their risk of COVID-19 exposure by self-isolating.
Aviation Industry Support
The Commonwealth Government has announced an aviation package for the refunding and ongoing waiving of a range Government charges on the industry including aviation fuel excise, Airservices charges on domestic airline operations and domestic and regional aviation security charges.
These measures are in response to unprecedented and likely sustained period of falling international and domestic aviation demand related to the impact of COVID-19.
The total cost of the measures are estimated to be $715 million, with an upfront estimated benefit of $159 million to our airlines for reimbursement of applicable charges paid by domestic airlines since 1 February 2020.
The National Cabinet expressed their thanks to Australia’s world-class health professionals for their continued efforts in restricting the spread of the virus and saving lives.
Leaders also thanked all Australians for playing their part in following the health guidance and complying with the strong measures in place to respond to COVID-19.
Leaders called on the community to remain calm. While there have been some temporary, localised food and grocery distribution delays, there are sufficient stocks in Australia. Violent or anti-social behaviour would not be tolerated.
As a National Cabinet, we will continue to come together as a united team to ensure our collective response remains proactive and targeted, but we all have a responsibility to each other in protecting our community.
All Australians must continue to be vigilant and play their part to slow the spread of COVID-19 and protect vulnerable members of our community, including the elderly.
The National Cabinet urged Australians to continue to adhere to the health guidance on hygiene and personal social distancing, including avoiding any non-essential travel. Leaders also acknowledged the many businesses that have stepped up and allowed staff to work from home where practical. These early actions are critical in delaying the peak of the outbreak and ensuring our health system response remains strong.
The Commonwealth Chief Medical Officer, Professor Brendan Murphy, provided the National Cabinet with an overview of the current situation in Australia and overseas. The National Cabinet noted the continued development of international responses. Australia, like many other nations, is seeing an increase in community transmission. We are one of the best prepared nations and we remain united, focussed and ready to respond to any sustained escalation.
The National Cabinet also considered the Chief Medical Officer’s advice on rates of community testing. More than 80,000 tests have already been undertaken in Australia. Further testing stocks have been secured and the Doherty Institute in Melbourne has developed an alternative testing process. This ensures Australia has a diverse range of tests and can protect supply of testing in the event there is a shortage in materials or components of some testing kits.
All Australians should continue to closely follow the expert medical advice – and ensure testing is only sought for COVID-19 where it meets the relevant clinical criteria. As we enter the colder months there may be a number of other viruses that enter our community, so there is a need to prioritise testing of people.
The National Cabinet noted that in order to protect older Australians and vulnerable communities in the weeks and months ahead, Australia may see even more restrictions put on social movements. We need all Australians to please look out for each other and to follow the medical advice.
The National Cabinet will be meeting again on Friday 20 March 2020 to discuss implementation arrangements for indoor gatherings and domestic transport.
Interview with Neil Mitchell, 3AW
16 March 2020
PRIME MINISTER: Good morning Neil.
NEIL MITCHELL: Thank you very much for your time. Do you think there's a chance we'll have to look at rationing?
PRIME MINISTER: There'll be a range of measures that need to be considered everyday. Things like that are not necessary now and not even under active contemplation, Neil. But I think the point of the question is, will we have to do things that we haven't had to do before? Yes, we will. And we already are. I mean, the measures we announced yesterday were pretty unprecedented, at least for about 100 years. And that means that there will be actions we'll have to take. There will be disruption to people's lives. There are real significant economic impacts that go from managing the spread of this virus, but if we can manage the spread, and control its spread, and reduce the peak level of infection, then that obviously enables the health system to cope better and we can save more lives.
MITCHELL: A lot of people worry about the supermarkets. The supermarkets have introduced, or some of them, special hours for the all the elderly and disabled people who turn up with pension cards and the like. That a good idea?
PRIME MINISTER: Good for them.
MITCHELL: Good idea?
PRIME MINISTER: I think that’s a great idea.
MITCHELL: I agree. A lot of private schools are closing. Is it, you think, inevitable, as the Victorian Premier says, at some stage we'll have to close the schools.
PRIME MINISTER: At some stage if that’s the advice, then that certainly will happen. But I should stress that is not the advice at the moment. And different schools are doing different things. Some of them are moving towards remote learning and things like that. But the advice from all of the states, which is consensus advice from the states and territories health officers, Chief Medical Officer, is that it's not something that's been recommended. In fact, as I outlined yesterday, at a time like this, that could cause more problems for the involved. And we just got to deal with that issue practically. And children and younger people, I should stress, the medical advice is that they are the least at risk, unless there are very serious other health issues that they might have. The vulnerable are those who have other health issues, the elderly, and that’s, they’re the ones that I have most in my mind. And for the rest of us, about 8 or 10 of us who will contract this virus, it will be a mild illness. That's good advice. And we can help the elderly and the vulnerable by just doing the commonsense, the sensible social distancing measures, not hand-shaking, coughing into our handkerchiefs or our elbows, and and washing their hands, and being careful about our contact with the elderly, and the 1.5 metres where that’s practical to do so. It’s not going to be practical everywhere, these things aren't absolute, but they're just putting them into place sensibly wherever you can.
JOURNALIST: Will Parliament sit remotely? Or will everybody come into Canberra?
PRIME MINISTER: Well we’ll have Parliament next week. I'm having some meetings on that today. We've already been doing some planning around that over the last few days. Last week, talking to the Speaker and the President. I'll be talking to the Leader of the Opposition over the course of the next day or so about proposals as to how we can ensure Parliament can meet next week. And they have really one job, and that is to pass the measures in relation to help and economic support. And we'll be ensuring that can be done under sensible arrangements. There won't be a need, I think, for all the Parliamentarians to come. There also won't be a need for all the staff to come as well. And the public galleries won't be open and school groups won't be visiting. And all of those things, just sensible risk mitigation measures.
MITCHELL: The Federal Reserve in the US has reduced interest rates almost zero. Good idea or not?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, that's a matter for them, but our bank, well the RBA has already, we are already at 50. So they'll take another decision, I imagine at the next meeting it's up to them. But obviously the monetary response policy response is an important one, as is the fiscal policy response. And last week, I announced the 1.2 percent of GDP, I mean over $20 billion being pushed into the economy over pretty much the next six months with a thud loaded heavily into the next three months. This is going to have very significant economic impacts and we're going to keep revisiting those issues as much as necessary. This is nothing like the GFC. This has gone well beyond that now. I mean, in the GFC, we didn't have to shut down the borders. In the GFC, we didn't have to stop mass gathering of the public. I mean, this is of an order well beyond what we saw last time. And it'll be a challenging period. But, you know, Australians will come through.
MITCHELL: Are you aware that there's a shortage of swabs and protective gear for the medical profession to use?
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah, there was a supply chain disruption which occurred over late last week with some decisions made in America. And it also affected issues in Europe. But our medical people have been working hard over the weekend to put work-around in place. Doherty Institute is doing a fantastic job down there in Melbourne in supporting us to achieve that. That's why it's important Neil, that on the testing, that the testing occurs only where it is necessary. I mean, I'm aware of some 18,000 or more tests that have been done, which are all negative. So we need to minimise the tests that are unnecessary. So it's only if you've got symptoms and had that very recent contact with someone that a test is required, that's what was in the full page advertisements in the papers on the weekend. So that's the advice that I've been following. And I suggest everyone else do too.
MITCHELL: Speaking of the Doherty Institute, they told me a couple of weeks ago they were working with an old HIV drug that was showing some promise and obviously it had been used in people before, so it was acceptable. I now read Queensland’s doing similar work and they say they need $750,000 to test it quickly. Would you look at providing that?
PRIME MINISTER: On the package, we've put $30 million into these types of things. So I'm sure the Health Minister would be considering all options where we can actually get antivirals and other treatments in place. So that’ll be worked through in the usual way by the Health Minister working with the research community. I mean, we're not holding back there. We're like the rest of the world, we're looking to put as many treatment options in place.
MITCHELL: Were you aware of this HIV drug that is showing some promise?
PRIME MINISTER: Yes I was. I’d heard about that. I've heard about that several weeks ago. And that has been put in place in some places. It’s, I mean I'm not a doctor nor am I a clinician, but, you know, I've heard some positive reports, but none of these are, you know, altogether conclusive. But, you know, we've got to look for options and we’ve go to try and further them and get more options on the table wherever we can.
MITCHELL: Well, I know both Doherty and Queensland are working on it now. The British are quarantining the elderly. Well, are we likely to get to that stage?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, the priority we gave out of the National Cabinet meeting yesterday to our medical experts was that we want now advice on any restrictions, and there will be on nursing homes and aged care facilities. We want them to get that right. So they've been working on that. They've been working on it yesterday and today. National Cabinet will meet on Tuesday night to consider that. That also will extend to adding more advice on what we need to do with remote communities up in the Northern Territory, Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia. We're also asking them, and we expect advice from them, on enclosed space gathering. We've already acted on the more general mass gathering of 500 persons or more. And we've asked them for specific advice on what that means for enclosed spaces. And so you can expect further advice and information on that. Once we've received that advice. It’s important that when this advice comes forward that they actually spend the time getting it right. I think that adds to clarity when decisions are made.
MITCHELL: And the, you talk about the social distancing 1.5 metres, there’s no way you can to do that in the schools is there?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, I mean, there are some occasions when you can and there some occasions where you can’t. As I said, these aren’t absolute measures, where you can practice them as widely as you can, then that’s a good thing. I mean, what we're simply trying to do is to flatten the profile of this virus, which enables the health system to better respond and that reduces the risk of the elderly and saves lives.
MITCHELL: Total lockdown, if necessary? As in Italy?
PRIMEMINISTER: We’re not ruling out any options ultimately, but we're going to do it proportionately, we’re going to do it on a basis of the information and the medical advice that we have. I've been talking today a bit about the virus clock. The virus clock isn't the work of the calendar. It works on the progression of the virus through your country. Now, we are well ahead. I mean, the sort of measures we put in place yesterday, other countries didn't do until they had far more many cases than we have here in Australia. And so we continue to act well ahead of this. We are going to keep doing that. And I was talking to the Singaporean Prime Minister last night. We were exchanging notes on the things we're doing there. I mean, their situation is different to us. They're a city state, they’re a much smaller population. They don't have the remote area challenges and people flying all over their country and things like that. But they’ve been doing some very good things there and we're actually adopting many of the practices they’ve put in place in Singapore.
MITCHELL: Thank you for your time. Everybody in Cabinet healthy?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, Peter as you know, has coronavirus.
MITCHELL: Josh had the flu didn’t he?
PRIME MINISTER: Josh had the flu. So you know, and people get symptoms, then they'll get a test. And they'll self isolate, and the same rules will apply to my Cabinet members that apply to the rest of the population. Peter joined the National Security Committee of Cabinet yesterday, and he's at home now. And he's like, as I say, the 8 out of 10 Australians to get this, for whom it'll be a very mild condition.
MITCHELL: So he joined Cabinet on the phone, did he?
PRIME MINISTER: Sorry?
MITCHELL: He joined the Cabinet by phone?
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah on secure video link.
MITCHELL: Okay.
PRIME MINISTER: And that's how I'm now conducting National Security Committee meetings as well as Cabinet Meetings. We're putting a few of those arrangements in place, which is common sense.
MITCHELL: Extraordinary times. Thank you for being there.
PRIME MINISTER: They are. Thanks, Neil.
MITCHELL: Good luck.
Interview with Laura Jayes and Peter Stefanovic, Sky News Live
16 March 2020
LAURA JAYES: Prime Minister Scott Morrison, thank you for your time. Victoria has just declared a state of emergency. Is that required nationwide?
PRIME MINISTER: This was discussed at the National Cabinet yesterday, as you know, that's the first time ever that the National Cabinet has been brought together all the Premiers, Chief Ministers and myself convened that yesterday one of the key issues they discussed was how states would move to that public health emergency status. I mean, it has different expressions and different laws in different states and territories, but it's effectively giving those states and territories powers to undertake certain actions and enforce them in managing the health crisis. And they all agreed they would sort of move towards that footing over the next few days consistent with their own laws, some have been there for a while like Queensland, South Australia moved yesterday, Victoria has moved today so we can expect that to continue and that is being done in a coordinated way between the states which I think is enormously helpful.
PETER STEFANOVIC: Just on the bans that are in place now Prime Minister, self-isolation from people arriving at our airports. How will that be enforced?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, up until now, I mean this has been in place now for many weeks for a number of countries, and that's been working extremely well. And that wasn't mandatory at that time, I mean for those people who were coming home from China, coming back from places like South Korea and so on. That has worked extremely well. And we're talking about tens of thousands of people who have been subject to those arrangements and now it moves to a much more universal imposed isolation and this will be backed up by state and territory laws. Now obviously police resources are not going to be diverted to stand outside peoples homes if they are self isolating that's ridiculous. But what it does mean is I think all the community has a role to play here, as I said yesterday. If someone turns up to your workplace having been overseas, well, obviously they're not complying. And that's just not a bad call. It's actually against the law. And so people should cooperate with that. But I must admit, over the many weeks that these arrangements have already been in place for many returned arrivals, that they've been doing the right thing and people have been supporting them in the community.
LAURA JAYES: Could arrests be made, fines imposed?
PRIME MINISTER: Fines can be imposed it all depends on the state and territory laws and how they see fit to enforce that. But that, those sort of sanctions are possible. That's right.
LAURA JAYES: Are you considering the limit on indoor gatherings, we are talking about aged care facilities in particular, perhaps new restrictions on visitations, weddings, movie cinemas. Is all of this being considered?
PRIME MINISTER: Yes it is and we flagged that that, I flagged that yesterday. I mean, right now the priority for the medical experts is they will be providing this advice. The National Cabinet will meet again on Tuesday evening and they'll be providing some advice on aged care facilities and visitation arrangements there and restricting those and they’ll also be providing us with further advice on enclosed gatherings, now that's something they've been working on. But these are practical sort of measures as well. And they need to be well-thought-through through. And that's what they're doing. But I want to stress something Laura. And that is these are not absolute measures. You cannot close off every single possible risk when it comes to this. But when you do these on the volume level we're doing, it because it lessens the overall level of risk that the community is placed at. And as I was explaining yesterday, with those curves which show the peaking of the virus’ impact if we flatten that curve it reduces the stress on his hospital system and it means we can get the support to the most vulnerable. So no one measure is going to be the knockout blow to the coronavirus. That's just not how this works. All of the measures are relative and when they work together, it lowers the overall risk.
PETER STEFANOVIC: Prime Minister there has been dramatic developments that Boris Johnson is moving to employ in the UK that Nursing homes will be quarantined for up to four months. Is that an option here?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, as I said, we’re getting that advice on the measures we will take within the aged care facilities over the next day. And we'll consider that advice and make a decision on that on Tuesday evening. But people can expect to see a fairly significant restriction on visitation to people in nursing homes. Now, I understand I mean went through the process in my own family over summer when you have elderly relatives who are in nursing homes then you obviously want to see them. That might be the last time you do get to see them which was certainly the case in our family’s experience. And so that needs to be done sensitively and it will be done sensitively. But we need to lessen the broader risk for people in these facilities. And we also need to respect, I think, the sensitivity of families going through what is a very difficult time for them.
LAURA JAYES: Are you considering the herd immunity approach and is that part of your thinking in keeping schools open at the moment?
PRIME MINISTER: I’m aware of that advice that has been in the United Kingdom. And it is true that those who are younger actually are least at risk to the most damaging impacts of the virus. I mean, the truth is, is that Paul Murray has been saying quite rightly 8 out of 10 people and this is what I said yesterday who contract this virus will have a mild illness as you know Peter Dutton contracted it and tested positive and he joined the National Security Committee of Cabinet yesterday.
LAURA JAYES: But isn’t that a problem Prime Minister because people, particularly children with no symptoms whatsoever could actually be spreading this?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, the advice and let's be clear about this. The advice of all the medical experts from the states and territories and the Commonwealth is that at this stage that the closure of schools is not a recommended action. And whether that changes in the future, depending on how this virus progresses, well that that decision would be taken at a later time where there are incidences of the coronavirus is known. And in some particular schools where this has occurred in New South Wales and in Victoria, then those states have been responding to those specific instances with specific measures. And that's what those states, all states will continue to do. But as the advice and as the information changes, then obviously practices may change as well. I mean, what we have to do is just keep meeting, keep considering information, keep making decisions to ensure that we slow the spread, because when we slow the spread, we save lives. And that's what we're very focussed on achieving. But I’d also say this Laura, there are lots of opinions about this. There's opinions on social media. There's opinions in the media. There’s lots of people expressing opinions about this. What we need is facts, not opinions and the facts are what have been advised to the public and the facts are what our medical experts are basing their decisions and their advice on.
LAURA JAYES: Perhaps we need a Commander in Chief like you, we need to hear from you twice a day with twice daily updates are you considering that?
PRIME MINISTER: Well I don’t think there has been a day almost that I haven't been out in recent times. The Chief Medical Officer I think has been doing an extraordinary job in providing those daily updates. I think the initiative of the National Cabinet Laura is a very important one. We've never done this before ever as a country. Back in the Spanish flu this is a one hundred year event. Hundred years ago, one of the things that went wrong was the states and territories did not work closely together on that occasion, in fact they spent most of their time fighting with each other and blaming each other. That's not happening on this occasion. And I'm deeply grateful to the support provided to me by the Premiers and Chief Ministers. We're all working together incredibly well from all sides of politics with one goal. And that is to protect the health of Australians. The economic impacts I have certainly have not forgotten about, they are also very concerning and I know there is quite a bit of hardship that’s coming the way of many Australians and we need to do everything we can to try and cushion that blow as well. But we are in very unprecedented times and it's important to keep our heads, work together, look after each other. Be respectful to each other and remembering also those basic social distancing things that can make a huge difference. No more handshakes make sure you cough into a handkerchief or into your elbow. Make sure you wash your hands frequently and do all those things and be very careful about your contact with the more vulnerable members of the community particularly the elderly. I want to say good on you Woollies who are allowing elderly people to have their own shopping time at supermarkets I mean that is just a sensible reaction that didn’t need legislation, that didn’t need you know national meetings to decide that some good common sense actions and decisions taken in the community. We can all do that each day, we can all do that everyday that’s why I’ve always said that on this, we all have a role to play and let's just play it and keep calm and be aware of the many changes that are happening and that will continue to happen.
PETER STEFANOVIC: Prime Minister just finally have you been tested for coronavirus?
PRIME MINISTER: No there is no need, I have no symptoms of the coronavirus. Testing resources are scarce resources and they should be only used where the medical advice suggests that a test should be conducted and I’m not going to break that rule, I’m going to follow the medical advice and encourage everyone else to do the same thing.
LAURA JAYES: Prime Minister Scott Morrison thank you for your time.
PRIME MINISTER: Thanks a lot Laura.
Interview with Karl Stefanovic and Allison Langdon, Today
16 March 2020
KARL STEFANOVIC: We're now joined by the Prime Minister, Scott Morrison from Sydney, PM good morning to your.
PRIME MINISTER: Good morning Karl, good morning Ally.
STEFANOVIC: Before we talk about the travel ban, I just want to clarify the confusion regarding schools not closing. On one hand, you're saying don't come within one and a half meters of each other socially. But our kids are a lot closer in the classroom, aren't they? That's a mixed message, isn't it?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, these aren’t absolute measures Karl. What we're seeking to do is lower the risk of the spread. So where practical those social distancing arrangements should be put in place so that 1.5 metres, no more hand shakes, coughing into a handkerchief or into your elbow, avoiding contact with the elderly, all of those sorts of things should be administered wherever practical. I mean we've got the mass gathering bans from today. All of this is designed just to slow all this down. You can't manage every single risk in the community. And any suggestion that all of these measures can achieve that to the nth degree would just simply not be practical. So it's just about the sensible way of reducing the risk, because the more we slow this virus down Karl, the more we're able to support those who are most vulnerable. ABout 8 out of 10 people who contract this virus, most of us here are healthy, and others this will be a mild illness. But when we slow the rate of the virus down, by the way we interact, we're actually protecting more vulnerable people in our community.
ALLISON LANGDON: You're saying, you know, banning 500 people or more. I mean, you look at most schools, they've got more than 500 kids in them. These kids are then they’re close together. They make a home. They have, they interact with their grandparents. So we really do anybody's safest for the wide community by allowing schools to stay open?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, let me be clear. The medical advice from the chief officers of the health officers of the states and territories and the Commonwealth. I'm not recommending that we, universal wide closure of schools, where there are individual outbreaks in particular areas, as has been happening in New South Wales and in Victoria. There are arrangements that are put in place specifically for those schools. But schools won't be having, they've already taking the decisions rightly on the mass gatherings. Not having assemblies. Students will be in classrooms, not in large gatherings in their schools. The same should be practiced in university lecture theatres and things of that nature. So at the present time, the advice is that that is not necessary. And the other issue that relates to that is children, I should say, on the medical advice that those at the lower risk end for the entire population. And it's more of those who are at the elderly level, which are more at risk. But we also want to ensure that nurses can keep turning up to work and not have to be at home looking after their kids. That would also put great stress on the vulnerable if we weren't able to manage our public health workforce at the same time.
STEFANOVIC: As a parent, I have to say to you, PM, I find this confusing and I find it disturbing that it's almost okay for our kids to be in an area where there’s more than 500 kids they’re right next to each other at school. They go to big lunch or little lunch as we used to call it, and they’re surrounded by other kids. I don’t want my child to get this, OK? And so it is the only safe way to guarantee that that they they are put into isolation or at least at home while we wait this thing out?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, that is not the medical advice Karl. You're not a doctor. And neither are am I. My my my kids go to school-
STEFANOVIC: But it doesn't make sense.
PRIME MINISTER: I trust the medical advice, if you let me finish Karl, I'm trusting the medical advice of those who are responsible for the public health of our nation. They don't consider these things idly, they consider them very carefully and what's in the public health interests of the nation. Now the working night and day to ensure they're giving us the best possible information. There are a lot of opinions at the moment and I'm interested in facts. And the facts are that the younger people in our population are actually less at risk. And there are great risks right now in school closures. That's the advice that we have. And so we have to make decisions that is in the national public interest and particularly for the most vulnerable, I’m a parent. You're a parent. We all have the same concerns and anxieties about the health of our kids. I don't think there's any competition about that. We all get that. But it means we have to stay calm and take the best possible advice. And that's what all the Premiers are doing. That's what the chief ministers are doing. That's what I'm doing. Now, this could change in the future, and if it does, it'll be because of a change in the medical situation. And we will continue to respond proportionately. But I'd urge people to stay calm on these things. We know how serious it is. There has never, ever been a National Cabinet that's been brought together to deal with a crisis like this. It is on the job and it's making decisions based on the best possible medical advice.
LANGDON: To move on from classrooms to the 14 day isolation period for travellers entering the country, which came into effect at midnight. I mean, we just saw some pictures this morning. I mean customs was packed. People were shoulder to shoulder standing for hours in line, isn't this exactly what we didn't want to see?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, it's unavoidable. We've got people coming back from overseas and they need to go in to self isolation-
STEFANOVIC: Well it can be avoided if you shut the borders.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, we effectively have Karl. I mean, people have got to- Australians have got to come back from overseas. The biggest risk that has presented over the last few weeks has not been by internationals, because the global travel has been falling. It's actually been Australians coming home from overseas. I mean, take Bali, for example. People come - the number of Indonesians coming to Australia out of flights from Indonesia is less than 10 per cent. I mean, it's actually Australians going there and coming home, which presents the greatest health risk. That's why we've advised non-essential travel overseas should stop. And that's why when you're coming home from overseas, there'll be a 14 day isolation that applies to you and that's being backed up by state and territory laws. So these are strong measures, in fact they’re some of the strongest in the world. And that will ensure that we'll be able to again, if we slow the spread of this virus we will save more lives.
STEFANOVIC: Prime Minister, at the end of the day and look, I know this is very difficult. It's very difficult on every level to manage this, very hard. I worry about my mum. She's 70 plus. I worry about Dickie. He's a friend of mine who's now got the virus. And I worry about my kids getting it, irrespective of whether it's harder for them to get it or that they can handle it better. We just want to make sure everyone's safe as they can be. And do we not do not go that level and shut everything down?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, the shutting down that is taking place Karl, it has never occurred before. That's what we're doing right now. What you're actually advocating is actually putting in place with the measures we put in on the weekend. And in particular, what the National Cabinet agreed was the priority is the, we'll be announcing further measures that relate to aged care facilities and enclosed spaces. And that's the work that's being done by the medical experts now, as well as the impact in the remote communities, which are also particularly vulnerable. That's the next priority they'll be giving us that advice, the national cabinet will meet again on Tuesday evening to consider that advice so people can expect more measures when it comes to visiting aged care facilities. We're also working on the advice that relates to Anzac Day ceremonies. We can expect those to be a lot smaller this year. And that's good practice. The other thing we're doing right now is obviously we'll be making changes for how parliament comes back next week. That will be done on a very different basis. And I'll be consulting with the Leader of the Opposition over the course of this week to put those arrangements in place very, very soon. And so it's about making practical decisions based on good advice and we’ve got ahead early on this. And we're working hard to try and keep ahead, but we've all got to keep our heads. And I know we've all got elderly parents we’ve got kids, we’ve got others who are affected. But remember this statistic, our advice is that about 8 out of 10 Australians who contract this virus will experience a mild illness. I mean, Peter Dutton, who has the virus, joined the National Security Committee meeting of Cabinet by videoconference yesterday. We've changed our meeting arrangements. So people are joining by videoconference. The world can continue to turn. I spoke with the Singaporean Prime Minister on the, last night. I was supposed to be meeting with him in Australia Sunday, Monday. We're now going to do that by video conferencing. We're going to sign one of our bilateral agreements digitally, so things can continue to work. Shops remain open. The power is still on. The phones still work. The buses still run, the trams still go. And so we can get about our daily lives as best as we can. But there will be changes. We'll try and telecast them as much as we can in advance so we can all adjust to them and get on with it.
LANGDON: But I assume that there is no way that you can all then meet in Canberra for parliament because then of course you go back to your own electorates and we just can't afford to see that kind of spread. But just in the last few moments, the Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews, he’s declared a state of emergency. So you know on one hand, we're saying everyone remain calm, but then we see action like this. You can understand why people are panicked?
PRIME MINISTER: A state of emergency is not a state of panic. A state of emergency puts in place special powers for state governments to help manage the spread of public health epidemics. Yesterday, it was an issue that was discussed by the state Premiers that they would be all moving effectively to that footing. Some states have been there for some time, such as in Queensland. So these actions are being coordinated between the states to put these measures in place so they're consistent across the country. I mean, one hundred years ago we had the Spanish flu. That is that is the sort of reference event. This is a one in a 100 year event. Back then, one of the things that went wrong is all the states and territories all fought with each other and didn't get on with each other. Now, on this occasion, I brought them together into a National Cabinet and we're all working extremely well together. So I would certainly caution people, words like state of emergency. I can understand that they're an anxious types of phrases. But what they're simply doing is giving the state governments the powers and authorities to help protect you, public health and to slow the spread of the virus.
STEFANOVIC: PM really good to talk to you. Thanks for all your info this morning. Appreciate it.
PRIME MINISTER: Thanks, Karl. Thanks, Ally.
Interview with Sabra Lane, ABC AM
16 March 2020
PRIME MINISTER: Good morning, Sabra.
SABRA LANE: An Australian arriving back from overseas this morning, returning to their family this morning, is the whole family required to self-isolate?
PRIME MINISTER: No, that's not the medical advice, that they practice the distancing that's required in the household. That'll be the same for everyone else who has been going through the isolation period when they've come back from overseas, from the countries that have been subject to these arrangements. Those who are coming back today, the risk is low. That's the advice from the medical experts. And that's why the arrangements that are in place today is that people should just return home. If they have presented at the airport and they have been, as you were just reporting there, they've been asked about their own health. Then they would get that PPE equipment and they would put that on to accompany them on their journey home. For the rest, the medical advice was that that wasn't necessary. These are low risk cases at this point. And by getting these arrangements in now, what it does is it's another measure which enables us to slow the spread. If we slow the spread of the virus, which we've been successful so far, ahead of the rest of the world, then that means the peak impacts on hospitals and things like that will be a lot less.
SABRA LANE: What about taxi drivers and those on public transport? How are they meant to feel?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, as you know, as just reported, they're exercising the precautions that you would expect people to to undertake. And as we're saying, the medical advice for those who are getting off those planes today is that it's a very low risk group. But by taking these large steps, whether it's mass gatherings, whether it's this, what it's doing is lowering the broader risk right across the population of the spread of the virus. Eight out of 10 people who will contract this coronavirus, they will have a very mild illness. And what we need to do is slow the spread so we can protect the more vulnerable in the community who are at a much greater risk. So if we slow that spread, we are going to save more lives.
SABRA LANE: People are scared, though, and they're not remaining calm, with panic buying and fights at supermarkets, medical staff being abused because people are impatient over tests or not being allowed to have one. What is your advice?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, that sort of behaviour isn't acceptable. I understand the anxiety, but it also means we need to understand that this virus is a global, it's a global problem. It's one that Australia is responding to. We have a world class health system. We're putting the economic supports in place as well. And that's under constant review. This will be a difficult six months. I said that on the weekend as well. And we expect it to be around about six months. It could be longer. It could be sooner than that. But our job is to work together to slow the spread of the virus, which at present has been so far, compared to other countries, much more advanced. And these new measures we put in place on the weekend through the National Cabinet, particularly whether it's mass gatherings or the travel arrangements we've put in place, then that will help slow that spread and that will protect more vulnerable people in our community. But it does require people to get on with, you know, under some greater restrictions with their lives and to carry on.
SABRA LANE: Is the panic buying a symptom of the level of community distrust in the government? People aren't heeding messages to be calm.
PRIME MINISTER: No, what it's a function of, I think, Sabra, is frankly a lot of misreporting misinformation and social media. I mean, this is the first global health crisis I think we've seen with social media. People should not listen to Twitter or social media for their health advice. They shouldn't be listening to opinions on health, they should be listening to the medical advice that has been provided to us through those who have the responsibility. And that's the state health officers, the Chief Medical Officer federally. They have the responsibility of producing consensus medical advice to the government. And we're taking that advice and we are putting decisions in place that support that advice to slow the spread of this virus.
SABRA LANE: How will you tackle the online myths? Already there are WhatsApp messages circulating. We've seen one this morning claiming that New South Wales will be locked down for two weeks from tomorrow. Are you going to be talking with the social media companies about what they can do about that?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, we'll do whatever we can on that front, Sabra, but it also is helpful if media companies don't report that either. These things are just untrue and it's important that people go to health.gov.au to get their advice on what the instructions are. And an important one we've been sending out with the advice that was received over the weekend is particularly the stronger social distancing measures that are in place. That means not shaking hands, avoiding that physical contact. Coughing hygiene, which means into a handkerchief or into your elbow. It means washing your hands frequently and it means avoiding contact where possible with the more vulnerable in our community. We do all those things, Sabra, then we will slow the rate of transmission of this virus, which will protect the more vulnerable. It will lessen the impacts on our health system, which will come under strain. That's to be expected with a virus of such global proportions as this one.
SABRA LANE: As we've been on air, the Victorian Premier has been declaring a state of emergency there. Will that be broadened out federally?
PRIME MINISTER: I mentioned that yesterday in the press conference. It was one of the things discussed at the National Cabinet meeting yesterday, which is unprecedented, to have a National Cabinet of that order brought together to respond. And what it means is that there is great coordination now, more than I've ever seen between the states and the Commonwealth in managing the response. And they all agreed yesterday that they would be going through their various declarations on public health emergencies over the next few days. South Australia did it yesterday. Queensland's had it in place for some time. And they're doing that in concert and talking to each other. And I think that's really important. In the same way, the priority we gave the medical experts yesterday was to give us further advice on the arrangements we have around aged care facilities and about enclosed gatherings. Now, we expect to get that advice late on Tuesday, and I've convened another meeting of the National Cabinet for Tuesday evening to consider that advice, where we'll make further decisions on those matters and communicate them.
SABRA LANE: Given the level of anxiety, was the government too slow in getting public ads on air?
PRIME MINISTER: No. I mean, Sabra, we've had the Chief Medical Officer out every day for, going back to mid-January. I mean, I remember the day...
SABRA LANE: Mid-January, but the Government only engaged the creative agency on March 3rd for public ads, the first only went to air on the weekend.
PRIME MINISTER: Several weeks ago we put in place the resources and support for a public information campaign. Sabra, this is going to be with us for many, many months. And there'll be further upgrades to the public communication, and we're getting that information out to people, and I'm pleased that they're getting that information and acting on it. And we'll continue to do that. But it's important that we understand the gravity of this. The government has been taking it seriously from back in mid-January. We were one of the first countries to actually identify it for what it was. We called the issue of a global pandemic more than two weeks before the World Health Organisation did. Put the travel bans in place, evacuated people, Australians out of hot zones around the world, particularly up in China and Japan. And we've been taking action on a daily basis. We've never had a National Cabinet. Your listeners may be interested because I actually saw this also on the ABC website. This is a one in 100 year event. I mean, back during the Spanish flu in the early 20th century, one of the things that failed in that process is states and territories and the Commonwealth didn't work effectively together. Well, we've fixed that this time around. The National Cabinet is ensuring a level of coordination this country has never seen before.
SABRA LANE: Why aren't schools and public facilities being closed down now to get ahead of the curve? Nicholas Christakis, physician and social scientist from Yale University, says closing schools before there's a case has been shown to be one of the most powerful non-pharmaceutical interventions that people can deploy to keep kids and the community safe.
PRIME MINISTER: Well, there are many medical opinions, and it's not the medical advice of the state health officers and the Chief Medical Officer that that is a step that has been recommended at this point. And in particular, they highlight some of the risks that are associated with that type of a measure at this time and in particular, which would put children who may have the virus in contact with elderly Australians and equally ensure it would mean that we would have nurses and others who are forced to stay at home and not be in the public health system and supporting the broader community treatment of the virus. Now, that's the advice that we're getting, but we'll continue to take it, and that situation may change in the future. But when it does, that's when we'll act. But this is something that changes each day, and you proportion your response to the information and the caseload that you have now. And when it comes to mass gatherings, I mean, we've acted with a small number of cases on mass gatherings compared to other countries in the world. They are in the hundreds, if not more, well in excess of where Australia is today. I mean, the clock on this is more about the number of cases you have, not the number of days since the start of the year. And on that clock, Australia has been performing well, relatively, and we're looking to keep doing that by taking advice and prompt action and coordinating our response across the country.
SABRA LANE: Prime Minister, thanks for joining AM this morning.
PRIME MINISTER: Thanks very much, Sabra.
Interview with Alan Jones, 2GB
16 March 2020
ALAN JONES: The Prime Minister's on the line. Prime Minister, good morning.
PRIME MINISTER: Good morning Alan.
JONES: Thank you for your time. I wish people had listened to you. I do feel that this alarmism has taken root and it has overtaken the persistence with which you have said the majority, about 8 in 10. It'll be a mild illness and it will pass. And Peter Dutton is a metaphor of that?
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah he is. I mean, Peter's at home and he's recovering well. He joined the National Security Committee meeting yesterday via videoconference. So he is continuing to do his job. And I think that sort of demonstrates, as you've just said, that the case for most Australians, it is a mild illness. But the reason we need to be very careful about how the virus spreads is to protect those who are more vulnerable. That's why it's important to do the things we announced yesterday. I mean, we have more cases now. And so now was the time to take those additional steps, which means, you know, compared to other countries, the issues we've done around mass gatherings was well ahead of other countries, because when they did that, they had many, many, many more cases than we do now. We were able to slow the start of this virus in Australia and now we'll be able to continue to hopefully manage the spread, which means it'll put less strain on the health system at its peak level. And that means that our health systems will be able to better cope. Doesn't mean there won't be strains and stresses. It won't mean that there won't need to be changes made. And of course, we're going to have to do all of that. But if we manage the spread by doing the sensible things, so no longer shaking hands and no longer, well we be should always be practising the good hand hygiene and coughing into a handkerchief or your elbow, and avoiding contact with those who are were vulnerable. Do those sensible things. Then we will get through this.
JONES: PM I just, I'm really concerned I have to say, as I just said earlier today, I think the media have a high responsibility to as best, to first do some homework and secondly then advise and inform and not to alarm. If you take China, Italy, Iran, South Korea and Spain and they’re the 5 countries where there are problems. And the total deaths that I took off the W.H.O. list this morning approximately two hours ago was 6,455, in those five countries the deaths are 6,099. So in the remaining 151 countries that appear on the W.H.O. list, the death toll is 356. And of the 156 countries, in 109, according to the W.H.O., there are no deaths. Now, people are given being given the impression here that a meteor is about to collide with earth and we're all going to get the virus and suddenly our arms will fall off and there won't be enough timber left to make the coffins that are needed. You've tried to to draw back from this alarmism, but it is alive. You've only got to look at supermarkets everywhere, the healthy people, I quoted Jeremy Faust, the the expert from Harvard University who made the point, he said it's relatively benign disease for most young people. You've made this point, potentially devastating for the older and chronically ill. The mortality rate is 0 for children 10 or younger. It's 0.2 per cent in healthy non-geriatric adults. So on the basis of that, should we be thinking of closing schools or closing universities even I might add, you know, stopping people from going to football matches. These are mostly healthy, middle aged people?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, let me start with the last one. I mean, we've made the decision on gatherings of more than 500 and what we call non-essential static gatherings. That is to slow the spread Alan, on, when it comes to schools and universities, it is not the medical advice at the moment that they should be closed. And in fact, as I said yesterday, that could create, particularly for schools, more problems than solutions. As you said the incidents and the impact on the younger Australians is actually, much less than for the rest of the population. But in terms of the impact it would have on them going back home, they would need to be cared for. They may actually be being cared for by older Australians, their grandparents. That is not a particularly good idea at the moment. And it would also take potentially nurses and others out of the, out of the workforce when we need them right now. Now, I'm not saying that at some point down the track, those sort of measures may become necessary and that we'll do that on the basis of medical advice, but we won't do it on the basis of media opinion or things like that. I mean, what we need is facts. And I want to thank you for the facts that you're getting out there. Now is a time for facts rather than opinions. And those facts say, let's follow the medical advice. Let's slow the spread of this. That is the best way to protect particularly the elderly and the vulnerable, right now the next set of decisions we're making, we made a whole range yesterday, both as the National Security Committee and then the new National Cabinet. On Tuesday night, we'll be making more decisions around aged care facilities and around indoor gatherings. And we're waiting for that advice, that's being worked on right now. And also, we'll have some advice on managing the issues in remote communities.
JONES: See there’s 5 deaths in Australia so far, Prime Minister 5 deaths.
PRIME MINISTER: It’s terribly sad.
JONES: Terribly Sad. 900 died last year from flu, 43,000 died from heart disease one every 12 minutes, 50,000 died from cancer. The virus has had 5 deaths. Now out there. You know, the supermarkets, the supermarket shelves, it's just hideous. And the image that's being generated is, as I said, you get the impression that there's a massive meteor is about to collide with earth. We've got to stock up, locked down, close in. Don't go anywhere!
PRIME MINISTER: I mean, that's not necessary, as I said yesterday. The shops remain open, the trains still run, the phones still work, the lights still switch on. This is not a physical disaster where you've had a cyclone or something like that, which, you know, we do see in parts of Australia. And people are hemmed in for, you know, several weeks in those types of circumstances. That's not what’s occurring. That's not what is occurring here. And so I think the calmness is essential. Of course, there's going to be disruption to people's lives. Of course, there's going to be changes and there'll be more of that. And the reason we're doing that is to slow the spread, which means we save more lives.
JONES: Why is 490 safe and 510 not?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, these aren't absolute measures. And you're right,
JONES: That’s your advice.
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah, it's advice. And the 500 is what is being applied around the world and for enclosed spaces the medical experts are considering that right now. And what, it doesn't say that that will stop the virus completely. It just means that when you get to gatherings of that size and above, then the risk is greater. And so you're just removing the risk. What we're always trying to do is just push down on the risk because that pushes down on that curve, which means we push down on the pressure on the hospital system and and the GPs and all of that. But as you say, eight out of 10, our advice, a mild illness. And those of us who are in that more healthy category, we're in a position by our own behaviour in terms of containing the spread to protect those who are more vulnerable by our own behaviour, and us doing the right thing. I think it's great that Woollies today. I mean, Woollies are providing dedicated hours at their supermarkets so elderly Australians can get a go. And the fact that they haven't been getting a go and some of the behaviour we've seen there has been terribly disappointing. That's not Australia. That's not how Australians respond. And I think, yes, the government needs to continue to provide that instruction. But honestly, each of us have got to check each other on this sort of stuff. We’ve all got a responsibility there-
JONES: Yeah I mean, the multipliers are enormous, though, aren't they? As you know, you’re a Sharks fans so the shark play to no ground, then the pies, the sausages, the egg and lettuce sandwiches, the beer, the clean up afterwards. These are a stack of people whose jobs are at risk. See Robert’s emailed me, there is a stack of emails, Alan now that the government has stopped so many industries from functioning at all. Will they legislate that all lenders should not demand payments or penalise or default those who have no income following the latest restrictions? We already- sorry go on.
PRIME MINISTER: They are very real issues and I'm finding the banks to be very constructive on this and a lot of those sort of practical issues we will also now be addressing. And I think they're very reasonable points. The economic impact I've been very upfront with Australians about. Last year- last week, I should say. I was on the program last week. We had the- what was effectively $20 billion with the health and the stimulus package. We can obviously keep looking at those issues. We we we take these measures carefully. And after a lot of consideration and we know the impact it can have economically. And that's why we resist potentially going to other measures when at the present time they're not necessary because we want to keep society functioning and the economy functioning, that's why we talk about reducing-
JONES: Keeping business in business and jobs in jobs is really tough on you when these multipliers come in. See Alan’s writes to me and says, while you got the PM on today could you pass on, I’ve got to do this because it's not, he says it's unacceptable for our government to give any funding to the NRL. I've just spoken to Peter V'Landys. I don't agree with that, but or any other major sporting organisation. So they can pay the salary of multi-millionaires and prop up the clubs, which are the gambling dens of Australia. I don't agree with that. But however he makes this point, I'm a casual worker on $26 dollars an hour, who in a month will lose my house due to this virus. I've got two kids under 10. I'm just one person. I have friends who’ve placed their businesses in liquidation already, help real Australians. Last week's comments by Christian Porter telling Australians like me that we are compensated for being casual made me vomit. We are casual because Australian governments and business don't look after Australians if the NRL receives the golden handshake, you'll have backlash from everyday Australians that made the bushfire crisis seem like you were roasting marshmallows. So people are desperate. Do you understand that? I'm sure you do.
PRIME MINISTER: I do understand. And obviously the NRL is not high on the list at the moment. Addressing the health issues, hospitals, making sure we've got the health workforces in place, aged care facilities, small businesses making sure they've got cash flow support and in particular casuals, as I said last week. We have the sickness payment that it goes to casuals. Should they find themselves isolated or in fact, infected by the virus, they can access that payment. It's a Newstart payment. And that and we've waived the waiting period for people to get access to that as well. So there is a range of these things, Alan, that we're going to be looking at. We are meeting on this every day for long periods, going through all of these-
JONES: I hope we can talk each time to you because the information is key here.
PRIME MINISTER: It is.
JONES: We've got to neutralise it. Look, just one other thing, which is miles away from any of these-
PRIME MINISTER: Oh sorry Alan, just before you mention that, one of the other things we're doing when I mentioned the ban on mass gatherings yesterday as well as the self-isolation. The great thing about working with a National Cabinet is that it will be backed up by state and territory legislation. So that has implications for things like insurances and so on, for a lot of those events and how a lot of that, you know, the knock on effects of that. So rather than being an advisory, making it an actual clear direction from the government, backed up by legislation, that enables a lot of the other issues to kick-in, to provide support.
JONES: You've got to come together as a Parliament to pass the legislation to provide these benefits to that you announced last week, is the gathering of the parliament with thousands of staff and hundreds of MP’s, is that in breach of your edict? About 5- meetings of 500 people?
PRIME MINISTER: No. What we'll be doing is, and we'll be working on this today with the Speaker and the President of the Senate. I'll talk to the Leader of the Opposition as well, over the course of this week. And we'll be proposing a set of scaled back arrangements which will enable the Parliament to meet, to do its business to pass these laws and for us to get on with the job. I mean, it's a very scalable arrangement. And there are measures we can use. I mean, there won't be a necessity for all the staff to come to Canberra or all the other visitors who would normally come, I mean public galleries won't be open, school visits won't be happening, and there will be a massive scale down on all of that. That, and the focus will be on passing the important legislation that relates to the stimulus package and the health funding. And so all of that can be accommodated. See Alan, there'll be lots of challenges, but there'll also be lots of practical solutions.
JONES: Well just one thing before you go. I mean, people on the board here this morning and I can understand how they're annoyed. Paul as you know, who works for me coming down the highway this morning to 7-Eleven in Artarmon was selling unleaded fuel, at 165.9, it was 121.9 on Friday, and then Ashley from our studio in Brisbane says unleaded is selling for 114.9 and 159.9 cents a litre. People are doing it tough, but they don't have to be ripped off at the bowser, do they?
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah. Well I’ll raise that with Rod Sims at the ACCC. I mean, we know where oil prices have gone over the last few weeks. And so I'm sure he's taking a closer look. He's the cop on the beat on that. So I'll let him do his job on that. And we'll get about the job of keeping Australians safe and we'll do everything we can to keep them in jobs and businesses in business.
JONES: Thank you PM. We'll talk later in the week.
PRIME MINISTER: Okay cheers.
JONES: Thank you so much.
Interview with David Koch and Samantha Armytage, Sunrise
16 March 2020
DAVID KOCH: Prime Minister, thank you for joining us today. Look, we want to get true, true facts today. But just quickly, this. What happened with the footy over the weekend, sort of the, the change of heart so quickly, the shaking hands, not shaking hands, going to footy, not going to the footy. Is that, did that create confusion?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, we're acting on medical advice, David and that's simply what we're always doing. There was no medical advice that said that the mass gathering bans were coming in place on the weekend and I was acting in course with the medical advice. I think there was a reaction to that. So I chose not to go. I mean, I think these issues, David, frankly, now are quite you know, they are not the essential issues we are focussing on.
DAVID KOCH: Let's get to the facts now. There are the toughest restrictions Australia has ever had on arrivals into this country. How will you ensure passengers follow the rules?
PRIME MINISTER: I'm sorry, David. There was a cut in on the question there from someone on the call.
DAVID KOCH: The restrictions on people coming into Australia, arrivals into the country. You've got to self isolate for 14 days. How will you ensure those passengers follow the rules?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, that's exactly what has been happening. Up until now, they've been voluntary, those self self-isolation arrangements. And people have been doing them. Australians have been following those rules. And now they will be backed up by the force of state and territory laws. So Australians are doing the right thing here. I mean, what we're seeking to do here, David, as I explained yesterday when I showed those graphs, is we're looking to flatten that curve. We're trying to take the spread of the virus down from a peak level of presentations, which would put undue stress on the health system. And so by doing things like the increasing social distancing. So, yes, the medical advice is now that there should be no shaking of hands, that we should always be exercising that cough etiquette into a handkerchief or into your elbow. We should be ensuring that we're washing our hands very regularly and that we should be very careful about our engagements around the elderly and the vulnerable. And where we can do it, it's not always practical, but about a metre and a half is the recommended social distancing we should be practising.
DAVID KOCH: So those graphs you're talking about, if I can sort of get you to explain simply. If we, if we really crack down on it now, short, sharp, it means the spread of severe cases goes over a longer period and our hospitals can cope. If we don't crack down now, short and sharp, then the cases will be a lot higher and maybe hospitals don't cope.
PRIME MINISTER: That's exactly right. And the actions we're taking now, particularly say on the mass gatherings, is well ahead of the rest of the world, who entered into these types of arrangements when they had far more many cases than Australia does. I mean, the clock that ticks here is actually the number of cases you have and spread. It's not the actual clock. There are many countries because they didn't take, I suppose, the actions we did earlier on going back to January, which meant we had a very slow start to this and we're seeking to make sure we keep that. And the National Cabinet, which met for the first time ever yesterday. Now, for the first time, that means Federal, State governments completely coordinated on things that go across the state/federal divide. Now, when it comes to mass gatherings, that's important. So previously, there wasn't legislation that would enable this social isolation, sorry, social quarantining to be enforced by law. That's now being done by the states. And I really appreciate their support and their cooperation.
DAVID KOCH: Now, if you’re picking up someone from the airport who's come from overseas, do you then self-isolate with them? And what about, sort of, I don't know, taxi drivers, Uber drivers that take these people home?
PRIME MINISTER: No. I mean, it's a very, very low risk. Anyone who presents with symptoms or things of that nature, they will be issued with personal protective equipment. And advice on testing is pretty clear. You'd have to be in contact with someone who actually had symptoms, or 24 hours before they had symptoms, and you're actually showing symptoms yourself. That's the clear medical advice. And I think it's important, I know there's a lot of things for people to know at the moment, but it's all on the health.gov.au website, the information campaign is there.
DAVID KOCH: It’s really good too.
PRIME MINISTER: Yeah. It’s about slowing the spread, as I said, to open the beds.
DAVID KOCH: Yeah, I know you’ve got to get another interview, just quickly, senior Australians. Should they, like I've got an eighty five year old mum. Should she be self-isolating now? We're not taking the grandkids to visit her and stuff like that. Should she be pulling herself into self-isolation? Or if you've got parents in a nursing home or retirement village, should they be closing?
PRIME MINISTER: Well, right now, the medical expert panel is considering particularly the latter issue in terms of how we limit the number of visits into nursing homes, and we'll receive that advice very soon. The National Cabinet is meeting again on Tuesday evening and we'll be making decisions on those issues. But for the more elderly, the more vulnerable in the community, then a full self-isolation is not being recommended but obviously being more careful than the rest of the population. And I think you're right, David, not having as many people around, limiting those contacts, but they don't have to cut off. The other thing I heard, and this is a great move by one of the supermarkets today. I mean, they're actually now providing particular times when more elderly people, pensioners and things can go to the supermarkets. Common sense. Great idea. Well done. Let’s all look after each other and be respectful to each other and help each other out.
DAVID KOCH: And you've got to look after yourself, you’re sounding a bit croaky and snuffly, is that from talking too much?
PRIME MINISTER: A lot of meetings, a lot of meetings, David. But I can tell you, I’m feeling absolutely fine. There's a lot of work to do and everyone's working well together. And I want to thank those in the media who are getting important factual information out there. We need more information, less opinion, I suppose, at the moment.
DAVID KOCH: Exactly. And also from the government, too. I love Singapore doing the cartoon strips for kids to follow and things like that. I think maybe we need a bit more of that as well to keep us informed.
PRIME MINISTER: Well we’ll keep upgrading our communications campaign. I actually spoke to the Singaporean Prime Minister last night. He was actually due to be here later in this week. We're now going to have our meeting done virtually. And we'll be signing documents in digital to do those things. So business and government can carry on even through the midst of all of this.
DAVID KOCH: Prime Minister, we really appreciate your time on a very busy morning. Thank you for joining us. Thanks, David.